Crawelc Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 My main fear in this retcon, reboot, whatever you want to call it. Are they going to take Vader from being an IBA Sith killing Jedi 5 at a time, and turn him into some kind of sad anti-hero full of remorse and grief. I don't want wussy vader. I hope the new book is good, I really do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 (edited) They probably won't, in fact he'll probably end up being more powerful than before or roughly the same. Edited May 18, 2014 by Wolfninjajedi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cs_zoltan Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 They probably won't, in fact he'll probably end up being more powerful than before or roughly the same. I hope he remains the same. He was strong but not ridiculously overpowered with no flaw character like some other crap characters in Star Wars... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sadishist Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 (edited) I doubt you'll have to worry about Vader becoming a Mary Sue character Edited May 18, 2014 by Sadishist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 (edited) I hope he remains the same. He was strong but not ridiculously overpowered with no flaw character like some other crap characters in Star Wars... People like to throw that term around a lot don't they?...I guess i'll never understand when you guys keep typing out 'overpowered' and 'ridiculously' terms in relation to SW characters. At any rate, he probably will be more powerful, in fact he really should be considering who he is. Especially since Marvel is getting the comic rights next year...what they are gonna put out(more than likely if anyone knows/reads Marvel comics) is gonna make what Darkhorse has done to Star Wars comics, look like childs play. But we shall wait and see. Edited May 18, 2014 by Wolfninjajedi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cs_zoltan Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 (edited) People like to throw that term around a lot don't they?...I guess i'll never understand when you guys keep typing out 'overpowered' and 'ridiculously' terms in relation to SW characters. Maybe because they don't make good stories... "Oh my god, Exar Kun is unbeatable. What should we do?" "Wall of Light" "Uhm, what?" "You know, that random made up power we just invented. Totally not deus ex machina..." Edited May 18, 2014 by cs_zoltan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 (edited) Maybe because they don't make good stories... "Oh my god, Exar Kun is unbeatable. What should we do?" "Wall of Light" "Uhm, what?" "You know, that random made up power we just invented. Totally not deus ex machina..." Ok...and? What stories don't at times, have a deus ex machina? It also wasn't made up on the spot, it was mentioned before it was actually used. Edited May 18, 2014 by Wolfninjajedi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cs_zoltan Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 (edited) Ok...and? What stories don't at times, have a deus ex machina? It also wasn't made up on the spot, it was mentioned before it was actually used. Just sayin' Too strong protagonists are boring, for obvious reasons. And too strong villains lead to deus ex machina. I'm glad you have no problem with this but I hope you can understand why others might not like it. Edited May 18, 2014 by cs_zoltan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 Just sayin' Too strong protagonists is boring, for obvious reasons. And too strong villains lead to deux ex machina. I'm glad you have no problem with this but I hope you can understand why others might not like it. I can and I have been spoiled by DC/Marvel comics, so I have a hard time seeing any SW character as 'overpowered' or 'ridiculous' by comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 I expect the Vader we'll be seeing is the Vader we see in the movies i.e. nothing will change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sadishist Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 (edited) Ok...and? What stories don't at times, have a deus ex machina? It also wasn't made up on the spot, it was mentioned before it was actually used. Because it's been overdone and most find it uninteresting. When they find it uninteresting they stop being fans and Disney will stop making profit, so it's lose for them unless they keep things interesting since the whole point of them owning Star Wars is to make a profit. Edited May 18, 2014 by Sadishist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 Because it's been overdone and most find it uninteresting. When they find it uninteresting they stop being fans and Disney will stop making profit, so it's lose for them unless they keep things interesting since the whole point of them owning Star Wars is to make a profit. Which I'm pretty sure that they will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 I expect the Vader we'll be seeing is the Vader we see in the movies i.e. nothing will change. I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 (edited) I agree. So you guys may think! You underestimate the power of Marvel comics! But we shall see what comes. Edited May 18, 2014 by Wolfninjajedi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBentOne Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 I imagine Vader will stay pretty much the same. Rebels looks to have the inquisitor to kick around so Vader doesn't get the Grievous treatment and wind up as a punchline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 So you guys may think! You underestimate the power of Marvel comics! But we shall see what comes. I am perfectly aware of Marvel comics and their 'style' so to speak. Heck, if Vader is portrayed as ultimate BA then I don't have a complaint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 I imagine Vader will stay pretty much the same. Rebels looks to have the inquisitor to kick around so Vader doesn't get the Grievous treatment and wind up as a punchline. I certainly hope that is the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 I am perfectly aware of Marvel comics and their 'style' so to speak. Heck, if Vader is portrayed as ultimate BA then I don't have a complaint. Well.....alright then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 Well.....alright then! Maybe good things will come from this, who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyKulvax Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 (edited) Maybe because they don't make good stories... "Oh my god, Exar Kun is unbeatable. What should we do?" "Wall of Light" "Uhm, what?" "You know, that random made up power we just invented. Totally not deus ex machina..." Lol what? Wall of Light was created in Dark Empire, though it wasn't named this at the time , 'Band of Light' was used by the spirits of all the Jedi to stop Palpatine from returning again, it was also used in Tales of the Jedi before it was to trap Kun, when Odan-Urr used it to cut off Massassi Warriors from Naga Sadow and was also used in it's lesser variant 'Sever Force' by many before it was used on Kun. Your statement is flawed, it was not invented to defeat Kun. Edited May 19, 2014 by LadyKulvax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cs_zoltan Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 Lol what? Wall of Light was created in Dark Empire, though it wasn't named this at the time , 'Band of Light' was used by the spirits of all the Jedi to stop Palpatine from returning again, it was also used in Tales of the Jedi before it was to trap Kun, when Odan-Urr used it to cut off Massassi Warriors from Naga Sadow and was also used in it's lesser variant 'Sever Force' by many before it was used on Kun. Your statement is flawed, it was not invented to defeat Kun. Gratz on missing the point entirely. But I didn't expect you not to protect Kun or his story anyway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 So you guys may think! You underestimate the power of Marvel comics! But we shall see what comes.Well given that future comics are now canon and everything is being overseen by the Story Group I assume that they will ensure each entry into continuity stays true to certain ideal. In this case movie Vader. But we shall see, I'm interested to see how stylized future works will be. We can always appeal to the foggy window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyKulvax Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 (edited) Gratz on missing the point entirely. But I didn't expect you not to protect Kun or his story anyway... Nice manners you have there, instant vieled attempt at calling me a fangirl just for holding an opinion. Oh and I didn't miss your point but your example was poor. Edited May 19, 2014 by LadyKulvax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cs_zoltan Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 (edited) Nice manners you have there, instant vieled attempt at calling me a fangirl just for holding an opinion. Oh and I didn't miss your point but your example was poor. My manners reflect yours so maybe next time don't start your post with "Lol what?" and what not. Also I didn't call you anything, but the moment I saw you replied to this thread I knew exactly what it's about (lucky guess? I don't think so) and I was right. And my example wasn't poor just sarcastic. Whether they just invented wall of light or not it was a deus ex machina, and THAT was my point. Edited May 19, 2014 by cs_zoltan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyKulvax Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 (edited) My manners reflect yours so maybe next time don't start your post with "Lol what?" and what not. Also I didn't call you anything, but the moment I saw you replied to this thread I knew exactly what it's about (lucky guess? I don't think so) and I was right. And my example wasn't poor just sarcastic. Whether they just invented wall of light or not it was a deus ex machina, and THAT was my point. You assumed wrongly that it was a mark of derision, when i was merely baffled by the fact you called one of the oldest powers in the EU Dues Ex Machina and assumed it was invented to stop Exar Kun, this is wrong. Your point or not it was a false statement, whether it involves Kun or not doesn't matter, Wall of Light is nearly as old as the EU itself, Wall of Light is not a Dues Ex Machina, it it not infallible and it most certainly is not an 'I Win' card like a actual Dues Ex Machina is. Want a Dues Ex Machina? go read the Cade Skywalker series and I agree with Wolf, pretty much everything seen in the EU is lightweight compared to MARVEL. Edited May 20, 2014 by LadyKulvax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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