deceptweb Posted September 19, 2013 Share Posted September 19, 2013 If you have any questions or anything you'd like to see changed prior to release of Dread Palace and Dread Fortress, please post here. I'm not saying anything is going to change, but ideas are always accepted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shandellon Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 I thought we agreed on not tracking this tier of operations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RikuvonDrake Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 If there is going to be changes done to the document and the math in it we might as well try it out on Hardmode as a test before we use it on Nightmare and the "real" progression? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Askesis Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 I thought we agreed on not tracking this tier of operations Why would you skip tracking two entire Ops? I don't see any logical reasoning behind that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shandellon Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 (edited) Why would you skip tracking two entire Ops? I don't see any logical reasoning behind that. And you are...? Its HM, and as mentioned many times, will probably be cleared by most guild in first 1 or 2 days, so whole race is about who get to log on first. We had a discussion in NiM progreesion therad, that only NiM ops are worth tracking It won't be however a bad idea to keep track of guilds that actively do 16 man raiding, not as World First race though Edited September 20, 2013 by Shandellon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
namesaretough Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 In general I'm against tracking HM for rankings. There's no point if most guilds listed clear it the first week. On the other hand, keeping track of who is trying content is a good thing, and there's always the chance no balancing was done since the PTS, meaning killing raptus or brontes would be a huge accomplishment deserving some recognition. If thin wants to go to the effort to track it I'm not going to complain, but I'll laugh a little if I see people bragging about world/server/faction firsts in HM, just like I did back when 2.0 came out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tahoeWolverine Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 I think it's good to track, you never know how difficult an instance will be until it goes live. As a 16man community, I think we've always done a good job of rising above the bickering and boasting, so I don't forsee any of the current guilds making a big fuss out of firsts. I'd say after 10 clears, we can totally stop tracking progression on any given tier. About changes to the way it works, math in spreadsheet or rules, I'm happy with the current system, I think it works well for very different instances that come out, HM or NiM. I definitely liked the discussions that were had with the entire community pre-2.0, so if changes are being considered, I'd suggest pulling everyone together for a 16man community conversation. Something that hasn't been specified for this tier elsewhere: I'm assuming the current rule is that you cannot skip bosses within an instance and claim kills, but doing a few in HM DF, and then a few in HM DP would be legal. Good luck to everyone, hopefully this HM tier allows more guilds to participate in 16 and then stay on for the next NiM tier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deceptweb Posted September 20, 2013 Author Share Posted September 20, 2013 I didn't WANT to do it, but there were a lot of people asking for it. So I'll have a lot to do the first week or so. ;p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDotter Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 In general I'm against tracking HM for rankings. There's no point if most guilds listed clear it the first week. On the other hand, keeping track of who is trying content is a good thing, and there's always the chance no balancing was done since the PTS, meaning killing raptus or brontes would be a huge accomplishment deserving some recognition. If thin wants to go to the effort to track it I'm not going to complain, but I'll laugh a little if I see people bragging about world/server/faction firsts in HM, just like I did back when 2.0 came out. You just jelly MoX US first HM S/V Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
namesaretough Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 (edited) You just jelly MoX US first HM S/V Not jelly, mirin Edited September 20, 2013 by namesaretough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDotter Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 Not jelly, mirin You seem jelly :confused::confused::confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Askesis Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 And you are...? Its HM, and as mentioned many times, will probably be cleared by most guild in first 1 or 2 days, so whole race is about who get to log on first. We had a discussion in NiM progreesion therad, that only NiM ops are worth tracking It won't be however a bad idea to keep track of guilds that actively do 16 man raiding, not as World First race though Me? I'm just some random scrub running NiM ops. I agree with not tracking HM's. When you said "this tier of ops", I thought you were talking about not tracking the Dread ops at all, at any difficulty. That wouldn't make any sense, which is why I posted as such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octom Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 And you are...?... no less welcome to his opinion than you are, Your Majesty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shandellon Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 (edited) ... no less welcome to his opinion than you are, Your Majesty. Providing he is doing 16 man ops as well. With no signature I could as well be speaking with random casual 8 man (whos opinion would be ignored in this thread), thus my question Comparison to S&V HM is very well placed. We cleared it shortly after French did (sorry, cant recall which guild in particular ) because when they had 16 55's we only had 15 and we started a bit later. Both our guild cleared it before Americans only because we are like 6 hours ahead when it comes to raid schedule. This is not a type of race I want to participate in Edited September 21, 2013 by Shandellon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RikuvonDrake Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 Providing he is doing 16 man ops as well. With no signature I could as well be speaking with random casual 8 man (whos opinion would be ignored in this thread), thus my question Comparison to S&V HM is very well placed. We cleared it shortly after French did (sorry, cant recall which guild in particular ) because when they had 16 55's we only had 15 and we started a bit later. Both our guild cleared it before Americans only because we are like 6 hours ahead when it comes to raid schedule. This is not a type of race I want to participate in ACE 5char Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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