swpoop Posted January 20, 2012 Author Share Posted January 20, 2012 Lol, your actually trying to argue against me? Cause THIS IS NOT HARD CONTENT, if you think this is even close to hard, then WOW, your e-peen must be HUGE on beating the special olympics. NM SOA got one-shotted by our ops, then cleared Karaga/EV on normal for new 50s in our guild, then pretty much one shotted 3/5 NM Palace until we ran out of time. We don't raid until Tuesday again, our schedule isn't even hardcore, and this week, we only raided 2 nights out of the 3 nights, 3 hours each, due to RL matters. And yes, I am talking about 16 mans. And to think, we are pretty much a casual guild, most of us are EQ/WoW/Rift hardcore veterans who can longer fulfill the requirements of hardcore raiding. We don't even care for progression, we just play, but man, these kinds of threads are very amusing. Doesn't take a genius to realize how easy these encounters are. Saying otherwise just makes YOU look terrible. I think every competitive raider out there was looking at 1.1 where "everyone" is equal. That is why we went after this and are proud of getting it down first. And for someone who doesn't care about progression it sure seems you are investing a bit of emotion into this thread. If you and your guild just play, then why post in this thread? My guess at one point in your MMO career you did care, and now are frustrated you cannot devote time to going after content like this. Thus you troll on people who do, saying "this content is easy you should't be proud of accomplishing goals!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osmaht Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Why are people in this thread crying about these bosses not being the hardest content in MMO's ever? Bioware would frankly be stupid to release really challenging content in their first two instances when raiders and guilds are still learning their classes and the raid dynamics that support them. And for a team new to developing these types of encounters they've really done quite well in making some interesting bosses. And yet you're in someone else's thread, bashing the content and trolling them about it. The fact others cleared it first clearly bothers you else you wouldn't be doing it. But I suppose this means in the end that the raiding community is in somewhat good health if the butthurt ones poo-pooing the difficulty of other's achievements are showing up already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiasmus Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 If it was cleared in the first day on the hardest difficulty, then it's not hugely newsworthy or overly significant; world first comes down to who begins their raid first, or in this case, who isn't impeded by (unsurprisingly) buggy content. That being said, well done to Condemned on a world first clear (assuming that it is). It's nice to see fresh faces doing well rather than the to-be-expected dominance of the top World of Warcraft guilds. It's also nice to see Millenium's presence in high-end PvE again. Congratulations to both guilds on clearing the content, hopefully with future content we'll see a more competitive race involving more players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFalconer Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 That being said, well done to Condemned on a world first clear (assuming that it is). Thanks very much! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellnassil Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Why are people in this thread crying about these bosses not being the hardest content in MMO's ever? Bioware would frankly be stupid to release really challenging content in their first two instances when raiders and guilds are still learning their classes and the raid dynamics that support them. And for a team new to developing these types of encounters they've really done quite well in making some interesting bosses. I´m completely go along with you, but shouldn´t the "Nightmare" Mode of a Raid be truly Nightmare? Why have 3 Difficulty´s when Nightmare SOA for Example is only a joke with no Problems to kill after 1.1? Didn´t Raiders can learn their classes within Normal and Hard Mode? Why not give Normal Mode and Hardmode to the Casuals and Easy Fun Raiders and make Nightmare the what the fffuuuuuuuuuuuccccc***kk Content. Not realy chalanging for Bioware, still the same Content only some good tuning needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFalconer Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Keep in mind that the bosses added in 1.1 are of the same 'tier' as those in Eternity Vault - meaning that their health and damage output is similar to the bosses we've already seen. My guess is it would have been a greater challenge due to gear disparity if this were tier 2 content, rather than tier 1B. As it stands, we were already fairly well geared from EV clears in the weeks prior to 1.1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pintaphilly Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 (edited) Just because the content isn't the hardest thing we've ever killed in an MMO doesn't take away from the fact that we cleared it fast. If you don't care about how fast a guild clears content, then you aren't a competitive progression raider and this post clearly isn't directed at you. Progression raiding is about quickly figuring out encounters and executing them. That fact doesn't change regardless of whether the encounter takes 1 day or 3 months. It's like playing on a PvE server and going and griping on the PvP threads about how PvP in MMOs doesn't matter. None of them will care what you say. If you don't like progression raiding, don't read the thread. It's pretty obvious from the title what the thread is, it's not like we tricked you into clicking it. @OnePercentWipes, I'm surprised you agree with him considering your guild calls themselves a progression raiding guild and your website states you only care about nightmare content. I think every competitive raider out there was looking at 1.1 where "everyone" is equal. That is why we went after this and are proud of getting it down first. And for someone who doesn't care about progression it sure seems you are investing a bit of emotion into this thread. If you and your guild just play, then why post in this thread? My guess at one point in your MMO career you did care, and now are frustrated you cannot devote time to going after content like this. Thus you troll on people who do, saying "this content is easy you should't be proud of accomplishing goals!" It's clear you guys haven't read all my posts. So allow to post what I have said... again. My guild are all hardcore raiding veterans, it is invite only, we don't do apps. Our goal is to clear content, at a reasonable pace with a casual schedule. We only raid 3 nights a week, 3 hours each, and till this day, we haven't had one week were we actually do our full raiding schedule/ Note: "CLEAR CONTENT AT A REASONABLE PACE WITH A CASUAL SCHEDULE". We care for progression, we care for HARD content, challenging encounters that take weeks to kill. With such a casual raiding schedule, all this content shouldn't be possible to clear in less than 4 nights of raiding. But guess what? It was cleared, we cleared HM EV/Karaga, NM EV, and now we are 3/5 NM from just 1 night, were we raided only for 2 hours. Total raid nights since launch = 5. This is not hard content, we shouldn't even be that progressed into it if it was CHALLENGING! And yes we are talking about 16 mans. We are not here for a race, we don't care how many nights we could've spent aside from our casual schedule to down a boss, hell at this point we don't raid till Tuesday again. RL does not allow us to go back to that hardcore schedule again. We are being REALISTIC. But that doesn't mean we don't care for the overall progression of end-game content. We do care, we want this game to last because we LOVE IT. Our hardcore mentality still exists, but the schedule doesn't, that is the only difference. The lack of challenge will KILL END-GAME RAIDING. In one night, NM Karaga has already been cleared, don't even DARE tell me this was challenging for you guys, BECAUSE LOGIC SAYS IT WASN'T, aside from our own experience. Unless your new to MMOs, and never played WoW or Hammerknell Rift, then your credibility is at an all time low. And if you have played WoW as a top guild, or cleared Hammerknell Rift, and still say this content was challenging... then I am sorry, but SHAME ON YOU, and you know EXACTLY why. Until Bioware releases real challenging encounters, then let the race begin for the hardcore guilds, and many of us will start to become interested in it, and the guilds partaking on it. But don't make current content look as something that it isn't. Instead of praising the easy content that we have, ASK FOR HARDER RAIDING! Else Bioware will never bother with hardcore content. This is exactly what I am worried about, and it is exactly what you guys are doing: praising easy content and pretending that content was so "CHALLENGING" as an attempt to raise your e-peen. Yeah... thanks for helping us out on the demand for hardcore content... NOT. Word of advice: Listen to your guildies and other guilds that have already claimed that current content is EASY. They actually have a clue of what is going on. Edited January 20, 2012 by Pintaphilly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swpoop Posted January 20, 2012 Author Share Posted January 20, 2012 We have absolutely given Bioware feedback on wanting harder coentntent. Again this is there first round of content. I would expect greater challenges in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IreScath Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 People that consider any of this content "tough" have clearly never raided in World of Warcraft. After fights like C'thun, KT40, M'uru, Yogg+0 and LK25HC, you just don't consider things like this.. tough. Im shocked you left out Vael. 2nd boss BWL.. Wow web stats shows it apparently *still* has the most kills than anny other boss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pintaphilly Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 (edited) Im shocked you left out Vael. 2nd boss BWL.. Wow web stats shows it apparently *still* has the most kills than anny other boss. And Kael'thas... Vashj... All of Sunwell.... Myrmidon Hard Mode... Freya Hard Mode... Putricide Hard Mode... Lady Sinestra Heroic .... Ragnaros Heroic.... Deathwhing Heroic... I'm not even done yet... Edited January 20, 2012 by Pintaphilly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anasazzi Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 EU - Kai-Kan Server - Guild Relapse 10/10 Nightmare 2x 8 man groups. We're starting on 16 man NM next week. Karagga's Place last boss chest is buged, we looked everywhere it didn't spawn or it's somewhere inside some wall that is invisible etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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