Dev Post AlexModny Posted July 19, 2013 Dev Post Share Posted July 19, 2013 (edited) how did the mod ninja his post in? Space Magiks Edited July 19, 2013 by AmberGreen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamthehoyden Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 (edited) I'm curious to see if some of these arenas have moving parts. There does look like a lot of los, and that bridge - I'm hoping it's not a cheap knock-you-into-the-abyss kill method. Arenas definitely favor some classes more than others, so we'll have to see how this goes in terms of class balance. Edited July 19, 2013 by CommunityDroidEN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUXs Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 In such a small, intimate area, LoS and other geometry concerns are valid, but I can assure you that we are adjusting the LoS blockers and general terrain on these on a daily basis to make sure we get them juuuuust right for all parties involved, not just melee and ranged DPS. Sometimes there is just too much LoS for the healers and they can't get off their support abilities because their friendly targets are weaving their way through all the blockers. Point being, it is a balancing act and we are iterating on it every day! I'm writing up a blog post today (it won't be posted until next week or possibly the week after, gotta translate it and get the big bosses to rubber stamp it) to explain in more detail these Warzone Arenas and our methodology in balancing them. Really looking forward to yall getting your hands on them asap! The feedback from players that have played them already has been overwhelmingly positive! Cheers! Thank you Alex - I appreciate the comment. Knowing it's something you're cognizant of and working around gives me great relief Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionflash Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 Good news! Baron Deathmark will be making a return to announce all the brutal Warzone Arena action Noice I guess I can assume there will also be a "Welcome to the Republic training simulation...--" for same faction arenas. But uh... please no more "Isn't this fun!--" ~ Voidstar Announcer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joesixxpack Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 (edited) Yellow words. Thanks for jumping in with info Alex, and glad to hear you're paying close attention to LOS and AC inclusiveness. My first thought seeing the pics was "hmmm..." about that. Edited July 19, 2013 by Joesixxpack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dev Post AlexModny Posted July 19, 2013 Dev Post Share Posted July 19, 2013 (edited) Thank you Alex - I appreciate the comment. Knowing it's something you're cognizant of and working around gives me great relief My pleasure TUX! Looking forward to your feedback when you get your mitts on them Edited July 19, 2013 by AmberGreen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evuo Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 In such a small, intimate area, LoS and other geometry concerns are valid, but I can assure you that we are adjusting the LoS blockers and general terrain on these on a daily basis to make sure we get them juuuuust right for all parties involved, not just melee and ranged DPS. Sometimes there is just too much LoS for the healers and they can't get off their support abilities because their friendly targets are weaving their way through all the blockers. Point being, it is a balancing act and we are iterating on it every day! I'm writing up a blog post today (it won't be posted until next week or possibly the week after, gotta translate it and get the big bosses to rubber stamp it) to explain in more detail these Warzone Arenas and our methodology in balancing them. Really looking forward to yall getting your hands on them asap! The feedback from players that have played them already has been overwhelmingly positive! Cheers! But does the GCD misfire still exist? I imagine it can be pretty frustrating to lose a match due to this bug where every ability counts. http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=628435 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUXs Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 My pleasure TUX! Looking forward to your feedback when you get your mitts on them I'm generally pretty shy when it come to the forums, but because you asked, I'll be sure to post my feedback when I get a chance You actually have me very anxious to try these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vis-Tecum Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 Good news! Baron Deathmark will be making a return to announce all the brutal Warzone Arena action lol I wonder if bioware is aware that there are other male voice actors than steve blum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MandFlurry Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 In such a small, intimate area, LoS and other geometry concerns are valid, but I can assure you that we are adjusting the LoS blockers and general terrain on these on a daily basis to make sure we get them juuuuust right for all parties involved, not just melee and ranged DPS. Sometimes there is just too much LoS for the healers and they can't get off their support abilities because their friendly targets are weaving their way through all the blockers. Point being, it is a balancing act and we are iterating on it every day! I'm writing up a blog post today (it won't be posted until next week or possibly the week after, gotta translate it and get the big bosses to rubber stamp it) to explain in more detail these Warzone Arenas and our methodology in balancing them. Really looking forward to yall getting your hands on them asap! The feedback from players that have played them already has been overwhelmingly positive! Cheers! Finaly, some hope for some of us Pvp'ers. Even though a lot of ppl will say we have a long way to go. I'm glad that Bio/EA are now putting more focus on Pvp, and hope that every Class can participate in these new Arenas. Thanx Bioware; I feel better now that some of my Subscription costs is going into something that I hope most ppl will enjoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justandulas Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 (edited) I can't wait for arena's, but I was hoping that 2-3 new warzones would find their way into 2.4 That being said, I'm glad you guys are taking LoS seriously. Anyone who's ever chased a resto druid around in WoW's arena's know that LoS needs to be limited as to prevent healers from being unbeatable, but at the same time it's gotta be enough so that they can LoS if needed. Lookin forward to trying it out Edited July 19, 2013 by justandulas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OddballEasyEight Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 No they don't they look horrible! Thats just your opinion. My opinion is that they look great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warshades Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 Alex Could you mention approx. how long each match lasts? I'm kinda hoping it would be quicker than current 15ish min WZ. Maybe like 5 min average would be nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justandulas Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 Alex Could you mention approx. how long each match lasts? I'm kinda hoping it would be quicker than current 15ish min WZ. Maybe like 5 min average would be nice. May I add abit to your question warshanes? What happens when the match timer ends and person(s) from both teams are still standing and fighting? Does it end in a draw? Sudden death OT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dev Post AlexModny Posted July 19, 2013 Dev Post Share Posted July 19, 2013 (edited) Alex Could you mention approx. how long each match lasts? I'm kinda hoping it would be quicker than current 15ish min WZ. Maybe like 5 min average would be nice. May I add abit to your question warshanes? What happens when the match timer ends and person from both teams are still standing and fighting? Does it end in a draw? Sudden death OT? We are in testing right now to find a happy place with regards to match length so I don't have a "they will be X min long" to share at this time. I will have more details in my blog post (that I mentioned in a previous post in this thread) that will shed some light on match length, among other topics. Edited July 19, 2013 by AmberGreen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorpassailant Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 Space Magiks I bet there are some pretty nice forum mod tools also Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darhsteel Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 next time,please add MORE players to WZ,not less!!!!!!please! all this 4 on 4 means pre-mades >.< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astrobearx Posted July 19, 2013 Author Share Posted July 19, 2013 We are in testing right now to find a happy place with regards to match length so I don't have a "they will be X min long" to share at this time. I will have more details in my blog post (that I mentioned in a previous post in this thread) that will shed some light on match length, among other topics. great communication. keep up the good work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionflash Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 Are arenas part of the Warzone Q? Or are they their own seperate Q? Meaning, will there be 1 Q as always or will there Q for Objective based Warzone, and Q for Deathmatch Warzone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nellsterzzz Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 next time,please add MORE players to WZ,not less!!!!!!please! all this 4 on 4 means pre-mades >.< Yes but its easier to carry 3 team members then it is to carry 7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUXs Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 We are in testing right now to find a happy place with regards to match length so I don't have a "they will be X min long" to share at this time. I will have more details in my blog post (that I mentioned in a previous post in this thread) that will shed some light on match length, among other topics. Since it's a deathmatch scenario, it might be nice to have it to where each kill, removes some chunk of time from the clock - the greater the disparity in kills, the more time that is removed. That would make facerolls end quicker, close matches last longer. Example: Each Arena is slated for 15min. Every death removes 5 seconds from that timer. 1-5 kills = -5 seconds ea. 6-12 kills = -10 seconds ea. 13+ = -15 seconds per kill from the clock Similar to how a one sided WZ ends quicker with less or no objectives being held. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lesaberisa Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 Alex - one question I have (and I understand if you can't answer in any great detail) revolves around class balance. By that I mean...in smaller-scale PvP I've engaged in (i.e. 2v2 and 3v3 in WoW mainly), you can run into situations where particular class combinations can have a very strong synergy or can almost hard-counter other combinations/classes. That can become frustrating if, for example, your class (or advanced class, to be accurate) is one that has particularly exploitable weaknesses. Is that a concern among the development team too? I ask because while I did enjoy doing arena on WoW, it also could be very frustrating when (as an example) my ret paladin would run into a frost mage or a priest that knew how to dispel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justandulas Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 We are in testing right now to find a happy place with regards to match length so I don't have a "they will be X min long" to share at this time. I will have more details in my blog post (that I mentioned in a previous post in this thread) that will shed some light on match length, among other topics. Thanks Alex. Is it possible for ties to occur when the match timer ends or is that something that's being tested right now as well? Lookin forward to the blog to see the details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamthehoyden Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 Since it's a deathmatch scenario, it might be nice to have it to where each kill, removes some chunk of time from the clock - the greater the disparity in kills, the more time that is removed. That would make facerolls end quicker, close matches last longer. Example: Each Arena is slated for 15min. Every death removes 5 seconds from that timer. 1-5 kills = -5 seconds ea. 6-12 kills = -10 seconds ea. 13+ = -15 seconds per kill from the clock Similar to how a one sided WZ ends quicker with less or no objectives being held. This is just based off of my experience with wow's arenas, but facerolls end quickly anyway since everyone on one side is dead super fast and that ends the match. The bigger issue with time is turtles. If you have a team that is virtually unkillable, they can just go in and sit there till the other team gives up in frustration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MandFlurry Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 next time,please add MORE players to WZ,not less!!!!!!please! all this 4 on 4 means pre-mades >.< I think it would be awesome to have 16vs16, but I don't see that happening soon. Plush they would have to make the WZs maps bigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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