You bought a television from Sony. Suddenly after six months Sony sends some guys over to your place who are saying that you can keep the TV but they're going to change it so you can watch only one channel. You'll get an option of switching channels if you'll pay extra $. That's what happened here. You're ridiculous if you're fine with it. Andryah no. 2

So if I'm reading this right your talking about some of the items that weren't bound that are now. Before you bounced them around? I guess, I see what you're saying now, but still, isn't it better to just be able to clone it ALL your characters if you like it so much? How much is the unlock?

Also the point of just buying others on the GTN is a good point too as another way around. Most of those 'toys' you're talking about don't sell for more than 1k on GTN anyway.

Wish I'd seen this before I started my own thread about it...

Yes... this is crap.

We paid for those items. The features of those items were

1) That they did not bind.

2) That we could resell them later if we chose to

3) That we could mail lthem freely between our characters and friends

Now we're expected to pay for the privelage of transferring them to another of our own characters, and we can't resell them?

I won't be buying anymore cartel market toys.

same for me. But hold on, there is a comprise Bioware can easily implement. They did it for Cartel Market certificates.

MAKE TOYS BOUND TO LEGACY. That way they will still get bound but we won't be able to resell / borrow them to other players. They will be available to our legacy but we'd pay if we want to unlock them on another server.

I'm fine if they do this with the new toys going forward. Or even if they do that with the toys that came from the packs.

But, the toys that were bought straight from the CM - That's a completely different story.

This change devalues the CC purchases players have already made & takes away something that they paid for.

I'm hacked off, but If I had bought my kolto tank with CC instead of off the GTN - I'd be fuming angry right now.

And as for the older toys from the packs.... they need to be removed from the collection system and have their binding status removed. Just because that's not what players were buying when they acquired them either from the GTN - or from buying packs directly.

This is an obvious move to control the supply of toy items THAT WERE ALREADY SOLD - to drive up their prices on the GTN, to encourage players to attempt to acquire them directly from packs, and to sell unlocks for additional CC. This is complete CRAP.

Taking away established functionality for the sake of making more money from it is always a bad plan.

Toys were freely tradeable between characters after their initial acquisition. This has been removed purely for the sake of making money from it. It doesn't add benefit to the game at all. It does not add to the player experience. All it does is upset players, and line the pockets of EA.

Now, for items that were always BoE/BoP, I have no issues with the system, but these "toys", fluff items, fun items, were not bound. So the ability for a player to enjoy them as they saw fit was taken away and replaced with "you can enjoy them as you see fit, but only if you now pay us money to do so".

it does not matter if you are a sub or F2P, if you use your free CC or you buy CC, that is not the point. The point is, functionality and useability were removed from these items for the SOLE reason of making money off players.

it does not matter if you are a sub or F2P, if you use your free CC or you buy CC, that is not the point. The point is, functionality and useability were removed from these items for the SOLE reason of making money off players.

^this

you people are actually killing the game...

Those people spending cash on cartel market are. They''re not actually helping... Cartel Market team is completely independent so it is safe to asume that very little, if none, of the profits made from cartel coins is not going int o development of content. And then instead of proper content we're getting more cartel market stuff on the regular basis. Coolest gear comes from there. And now all the features we were requesting and hoping that they will come as part of a content patch.

am I killing this game? I bought Ce and paid my sub loyally since December 2011... -_-

It's quote obvious that CHANGING an item drastically which was paid for with real money is bound to make owners angry. I bought the toys to use them across my characters. I can't anymore unless I pay more $. I was never warned it's gonna happen. It was a feature of toy items that they are re-usable and now it suddenly changed without anyone asking for it.

First off- the only FREE CC's in this game are the one's earned from the achievement system

Nobody asked for "FREE CC's" - we are being given them as a consolation prize. - because if they didn't give them to us, the majority of subs would have cancelled their sub.

If I had to pick between a CC grant & a cheaper sub price - I'd take the cheaper sub price in a heartbeat.

Nowhere in this thread thus far has anyone been critical of any part of the 2.1 update EXCEPT for the fact that they changed the way toys bind.

BW adds stuff to the CM I have to pay CC for - fine....

They want me to pay additional real world cash to get back something I had yesterday?

That's CRAP. And if it concerned a RL item - it'd be theft/ extortion.

First off- the only FREE CC's in this game are the one's earned from the achievement system

 

Nobody asked for "FREE CC's" - we are being given them as a consolation prize. - because if they didn't give them to us, the majority of subs would have cancelled their sub.

 

If I had to pick between a CC grant & a cheaper sub price - I'd take the cheaper sub price in a heartbeat.

 

Nowhere in this thread thus far has anyone been critical of any part of the 2.1 update EXCEPT for the fact that they changed the way toys bind.

 

BW adds stuff to the CM I have to pay CC for - fine....

They want me to pay additional real world cash to get back something I had yesterday?

 

That's CRAP. And if it concerned a RL item - it'd be theft/ extortion.

Exactly this. The CC we get arent really free. We pay for them monthly. BW is starting to get more and more ridiculous as time goes by.

/signed

This is a quote from Eric Musco regarding an armor set which perfectly applies to this situation and Bioware is not being honest with us:

No, it does not apply to the situation at all. That quote relates to how things look, if they suddenly changed the in game appearance of toys then you might have a valid complaint.

You spent money? I got all my toys from the GTN for less than 10k credits each (most under 1k).

No, it does not apply to the situation at all. That quote relates to how things look, if they suddenly changed the in game appearance of toys then you might have a valid complaint.

 

You spent money? I got all my toys from the GTN for less than 10k credits each (most under 1k).

~ derptastic ~ 1/10

That quote is precisely relevant - because players based their purchase decision on the features of an item & then paid CC to get it ~ only to have BW then change what they spent their money on. That's exactly the same thing as what they've done to toys with the 2.1 patch.

So I guess you've got ball toss, glowy eyes, RC airplaine, and some banners? WHOA, that's amazing...I'm proud of you.

This thread is about the premium toys ~ the stuff that people bought hypercrates & the $20 life day bundle to obtain, or shelled out directly to the CM for.

We paid for those items. The features of those items were

1) That they did not bind.

2) That we could resell them later if we chose to

3) That we could mail lthem freely between our characters and friends

So was there anything directly purchasable in the CM that was unbound? I can't remember and never tested it. For example, could you use the Carbonite chamber and then mail it to an alt? Because if we're talking about the holostatues, ball toss, etc. then you didn't directly purchase those items. You either got them in packs or you bought them off the GTN. Nobody bought 50 packs to get the Revan holostatue....when you could buy it off the GTN for the credits you could make from selling 1 pack....or at least no one with any common sense did that, lol.

So was there anything directly purchasable in the CM that was unbound? I can't remember and never tested it. For example, could you use the Carbonite chamber and then mail it to an alt? Because if we're talking about the holostatues, ball toss, etc. then you didn't directly purchase those items. You either got them in packs or you bought them off the GTN. Nobody bought 50 packs to get the Revan holostatue....when you could buy it off the GTN for the credits you could make from selling 1 pack....or at least no one with any common sense did that, lol.

Yup the carbonite chamber was unbound.

The reality is they should have always been bind on use. You all know this... you were just jazzed the they messed it up in the first place so you could pass the toys around from character to character like a they were a cheap call girl.

They changed it to bind on use. You can easily unlock and clone then across your ENTIRE ACCOUNT FOREVER if you want multiples.

This is an MMO.. things not intended or that intention changes when the game changes results in items changing too. You all know this as well if you are MMO players... so that brings us back to the bad analogy about a cheap call girl.

And Alec..Mr "I've got tens of millions of credits"... is the last person to take seriously about having to buy something multiple times off the GTN. You can buy all you want and never make use of the unlock feature if you are credit rich and coin stingy.

so that brings us back to the bad analogy about a cheap call girl..

Irony.

Maybe they should have been bind on use all along. I too was surprised that they were not.

But they've had months to fix that.

And they've continued to release new toys that were not bind use.

There was no indication that these items would become bind on use.

You can not say that it was accidental that up until this patch these items were not intended to work the way that they did.

You could say that it was intentional that they did not bind - what use is a holotrainer to a character at the level cap?

I suspected this would happen. If they didn't change these, than any new toys would be unfairly worse.

 

I continue to see your anger on these vanity issues and it really baffles me. Seriously, you're blowing this way too out of proportion when you can send your alt the same toy that costs probably 50k credits for something they will have permanently in the game.

 

Are you seriously creating 12 alts on a server and leveling them up all the time and need to have all your toys flying around you? I somehow doubt that. If it's really true, then pony up the credz, but, as stated before, it wouldn't be fair for someone to get a toy post 2.1 that's stuck to one character while someone else can transfer their toy, freely.

Then they should have fixed it the first time. This retroactive, "Sorry, but we need more cash from you guys, so we're changing the way the stuff you already bought for real cash works so you have to buy more of it" is for the BIRDS.

If they aren't fully into bait-and-switch tactics, they're certainly damned close.

I spent the cash on these items and others knowing that I could never get it back, just like a bankroll when I walk into a casino. But this crap is pathetic. The bean counters are completely ruining this game and the (already questonable/minimal) faith that players (at least some of us who are watching and cognizant of exactly WHAT is happening here) had in the developers.

6 days left. I don't even really care anymore. I just feel sorry for the people who will keep playing, and watch as their already-purchased items are now retconned into much less a valuable item.

It doesn't matter if they're just toys. They should have hired some competent forward-thinking balancing staff when they started charging real money for this crap. Obviously they're flying by the seat of their pants, and expect a continuous stream of "Sorry, but here's why we had to goose you up the crack again" explanations is going to make up for it.

The reality is they should have always been bind on use. You all know this... you were just jazzed the they messed it up in the first place so you could pass the toys around from character to character like a they were a cheap call girl.

 

They changed it to bind on use. You can easily unlock and clone then across your ENTIRE ACCOUNT FOREVER if you want multiples.

 

This is an MMO.. things not intended or that intention changes when the game changes results in items changing too. You all know this as well if you are MMO players... so that brings us back to the bad analogy about a cheap call girl.

 

And Alec..Mr "I've got tens of millions of credits"... is the last person to take seriously about having to buy something multiple times off the GTN. You can buy all you want and never make use of the unlock feature if you are credit rich and coin stingy.

I've been on your side in a lot of these arguments... but sometimes, your endless capacity to excuse anything and everything this company does in favor of almost always blaming PLAYERS for their anger really does make me wonder sometimes...

Any word on this issue yet?

Nope. They're taking the old school approach. Just ignore it and it will go away.