NamesAllTakenQQ Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 Possibly game first takedown of Dash without using a shield generator. http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii21/TheTablesHaveTurned/Screenshot_2013-05-15_19_16_00_918535_zpsb7892feb.jpg http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii21/TheTablesHaveTurned/Screenshot_2013-05-15_19_22_08_686570_zps1c79042b.jpg http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii21/TheTablesHaveTurned/Screenshot_2013-05-15_19_22_14_285891_zps34baf00f.jpg http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii21/TheTablesHaveTurned/Screenshot_2013-05-15_19_24_10_466536_zps993ff7e6.jpg http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii21/TheTablesHaveTurned/Screenshot_2013-05-15_19_25_51_367307_zpsa007501d.jpg http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii21/TheTablesHaveTurned/Screenshot_2013-05-15_19_25_57_496658_zps90ab8a09.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battyone Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 How do you not have any stacks of the debuff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NamesAllTakenQQ Posted May 16, 2013 Author Share Posted May 16, 2013 That's the hit and run method . our ranged dps/ healers did not enter the howling sandstorm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurojiin Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 Looks like most of the raid is sitting just outside the sandstorm zone. I'm guessing the rest is just utilising personal generators and tank swapping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NamesAllTakenQQ Posted May 16, 2013 Author Share Posted May 16, 2013 Tanks used the generators, the rest of us stayed out of it entirely. Also, if you leave the sandstorm, it removes all stacks. smart tank swapping is key Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battyone Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 (edited) Tanks used the generators, the rest of us stayed out of it entirely. Also, if you leave the sandstorm, it removes all stacks. smart tank swapping is key Today I learned. Does the boss despawn if everyone steps out? Edited May 16, 2013 by Battyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NamesAllTakenQQ Posted May 16, 2013 Author Share Posted May 16, 2013 If the boss leaves the sandstorm, he'll disappear. Our basic setup was, our 2 melee dps killed adds, (and threw sabers/rocks in downtime), our 2 ranged dps killed Dash the entire time, our healers stacked along with the ranged dps on a pole and.... our tanks stood together against a wall and swapped when one would be knocked in the air (like normal), but the tank that was no longer tanking would run out and get rid of his stacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_REDRUM_ Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 (edited) For the tank swap, off-tank stands outside the sandstorm to not get stack. Then when main tank is about 6 stacks, off-tank runs toward the main tank to get ready for swap. The swap occurs around 8 - 9 stacks (the stunned knock-back that forces tank if doing it normally). The off-tank can help kill the birds in the mean time (hold aggro from dps/healer) It takes us a couple of tries to get the tank swap cleanly. Edited May 16, 2013 by _REDRUM_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kawabonga Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 I was sure this could be done... when i proposed it in guild i no one approved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sykomyke Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 (edited) I was sure this could be done... when i proposed it in guild i no one approved Probably because the people in your guild have scruples. In reference to the OP: I've got no admiration and no pity for those who exploit boss mechanics because all they do is force the developers to spend time patching and "fixing" these people's abuse of a system rather then fixing more important things on their never-ending list of things to fix. What are the boss mechanics? They are : Usage of shield generators and personal shield generators. I highly doubt the devs ever intended for people to stand right outside the sandstorm and have you tank the boss right inside the sandstorm in an effort to cheese the system and ignore the shield generators completely. I'm sure the OP will come back with some sort of validation of their efforts or the ever laughable "We are just innovating" excuse. Edited May 16, 2013 by Sykomyke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterMuse Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 Probably because the people in your guild have scruples. In reference to the OP: I've got no admiration and no pity for those who exploit boss mechanics because all they do is force the developers to spend time patching and "fixing" these people's abuse of a system rather then fixing more important things on their never-ending list of things to fix. What are the boss mechanics? They are : Usage of shield generators and personal shield generators. I highly doubt the devs ever intended for people to stand right outside the sandstorm and have you tank the boss right inside the sandstorm in an effort to cheese the system and ignore the shield generators completely. I'm sure the OP will come back with some sort of validation of their efforts or the ever laughable "We are just innovating" excuse. So what, there's only ever supposed to be one tactic to down a boss? Seems rather boring in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sykomyke Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 So what, there's only ever supposed to be one tactic to down a boss? Seems rather boring in my opinion. Normally yes. And even where there are maybe different options on how you go about that tactic it still utilizes the mechanics of the system. A perfect example of this is the HM KP fight with G4-B3 Heavy Fabricator. The overarching mechanic of this fight is the usage of the overhead "jets". That is a core mechanic to the fight and is not intended to be circumvented. People got smart and realized as time went on that they didn't have to move him around as much, and figured out how to use the same "jet" over and over, making it the optimal path to go. This is fine as it still takes up time to "reset" the Tower of Hanoi puzzle, but you gain the benefit of not having to move the boss around. The strategy the OP suggested for Dash in SnV would be akin to taking G4-B3 down through some other means while avoiding the mechanic of firing the jets at all. The OP's suggested strategy removes a CORE mechanic of the encounter; which is utilizing the shield generators. I'm all for optimization of positioning, and mechanics and intelligent use of of those mechanics in flashpoints and operations. What I can't stand is when people explicitly avoid intended mechanics or bug the system out and then claim it's "intended". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ELRunninW Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 I have to agree, it is not really an achievement and should be filed under please fix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kawabonga Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 (edited) Normally yes. And even where there are maybe different options on how you go about that tactic it still utilizes the mechanics of the system. A perfect example of this is the HM KP fight with G4-B3 Heavy Fabricator. The overarching mechanic of this fight is the usage of the overhead "jets". That is a core mechanic to the fight and is not intended to be circumvented. People got smart and realized as time went on that they didn't have to move him around as much, and figured out how to use the same "jet" over and over, making it the optimal path to go. This is fine as it still takes up time to "reset" the Tower of Hanoi puzzle, but you gain the benefit of not having to move the boss around. The strategy the OP suggested for Dash in SnV would be akin to taking G4-B3 down through some other means while avoiding the mechanic of firing the jets at all. The OP's suggested strategy removes a CORE mechanic of the encounter; which is utilizing the shield generators. I'm all for optimization of positioning, and mechanics and intelligent use of of those mechanics in flashpoints and operations. What I can't stand is when people explicitly avoid intended mechanics or bug the system out and then claim it's "intended". From what i gather this isn't like the buggy bonus boss in mandalorian raiders where you just stand still and dps the boss without it doing anything (i don't approve of doing that, and since i'm the tank i get to choose fortunately. But, my good friend, that is still just good positioning). Switching tanks in this scenario requires very good timing and coordination, otherwise the boss will reset, not to mention sooner or later tanks will take quite a fair bit of damage in the sandstorm and will have to move to cleanse the dot, and make sure they don't do that when a stun is incoming. This method doesn't look any easier than following the correct mechanics, which by the way are insultingly easy. Edited May 16, 2013 by Kawabonga Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paowee Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 (edited) While calling it a bug or an exploit is susceptible to player bias, i think some words we can all agree on to describe it would be: 1. creative 2. lol 3. HAH! 4. lols... 5. not intended Switching tanks in this scenario requires very good timing and coordination, otherwise the boss will reset... following the correct mechanics, which by the way are insultingly easy....Now now I think this is justifying yourself too much Anyways.. yeah! It looks fun I guess. Like I said, creative but definitely not intended. If popularizing this method means forcing the devs to patch and fix it----i sure hope it doesn't kick off. That manpower could be going into something more worthwhile.. like a new operation or NiM SnV! Check out this new relic.. kell-dragon-relic-of--serendipitous-assault Edited May 16, 2013 by paowee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrillOG- Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 So what, there's only ever supposed to be one tactic to down a boss? Seems rather boring in my opinion. So...taking advantage of the mechanic and standing in 1 spot without having to move unless you're a tank isn't boring? Basically, all you did was make the fight completely lame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeisterBabylon Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 Smart tactics or overwhelming advantage usually makes a fight pretty lame. Like gunning down extremists in the open with an M61. It just happens. Whether this is WAI or not however will depend on the devs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bzziki Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 reps exploit a boss, plz ban all ops:mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radzkie Posted May 18, 2013 Share Posted May 18, 2013 (edited) Interesting find, though I do not think my ops group would approve of using this. Edited May 18, 2013 by Radzkie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts