Ruuprect Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 I have tried HM Essles 2 times now with 2 different groups. I have not tried any other HM FP's yet as I assumed Essles would be the easiest. We cannot kill the first boss! First group, We hade a ranged tank with some Champ gear and the rest 50 oranges and I was the healer(I have full Champ gear). We had the DPS stand at the sides so not to get hit with the AOE and the tank in the middle. I CANNOT keep the tank up with the adds and the boss. I am not sure what the problem is as this boss could not be this hard. In full champ gear I have to be plenty geared for HM FP's. We hit the enrage timer every time and the boss still had like 25-50% HP's left. I am at a loss. Second group, Fresh 50 melee tank. This was a joke and I understand that the tank had bad gear for HM's but we never even got the boss to 75% lol. I am not complaining I just want to know what I am doing wrong. I am a Sage 31pt Seer healer and I want to know if I am doing it wrong or if these instances need better gear than the group has. Neither of these groups had DPS in real good gear either. Should I not be doing these in full Champ gear, it seems champ gear is equiv to Columni gear as far as stats and I cant believe that is not good enough. Any help would be apprediated. Also, are all of the HM's this hard? Is there a better one to start with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Envenra Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 The first boss in Esseles is actually one of the easiest. However Taral V and The False Emperor HM are one of the easier ones. The tactcs behind the first boss is simple. DPS race. Yeah you heard me. DPS as much as possible and the boss will go down fast. Use AoE taunt and AoE DPS when adds come. Remember to interrup his attacks if you can do that. Btw. Second boss (Ironfist) is 100% harder than the first boss. He'll technically ONE SHOT the tank with Aimed Shot or ***. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spookybits Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 (edited) I thought the first was one of the harder ones - once you kill the him and iron fist the rest of the instance is much much easier. The boss is a DPS race but there is another point that makes it much easier. What were you DPS? Our regular FP group has a trooper and sage as dps which means we have 2 AOE knock-downs. The adds don't hit the tank if they spend the whole time laying on the floor being killed. Someone in your group must have something that can do this? Its also a good point to remember for all HM FPs, if the adds are normal level mobs start by knocking them over everytime! Edited January 23, 2012 by spookybits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmangel Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 its simple tank and spank tbh. Aggro the boss , turn him around so he facing awy from other people.(( your bk should be to the way he came in, and he facing the way he came in etc...)) nuke away. ads come, just aoe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruuprect Posted January 23, 2012 Author Share Posted January 23, 2012 I thought the first was one of the harder ones - once you kill the him and iron fist the rest of the instance is much much easier. The boss is a DPS race but there is another point that makes it much easier. What were you DPS? Our regular FP group has a trooper and sage as dps which means we have 2 AOE knock-downs. The adds don't hit the tank if they spend the whole time laying on the floor being killed. Someone in your group must have something that can do this? Its also a good point to remember for all HM FPs, if the adds are normal level mobs start by knocking them over everytime! That is good info. I will try the knockdown when we start some guild runs. These were Pugs, I just joined a new guild that should be able to start running HM's and we'll see how this goes. There were 2 Sentinals on the second run. I also run into an aggro problem all the time where I end up getting aggro from the adds even though I am not overhealing. I run into the aggro problem a lot and am not sure why I always get aggro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLapp Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 The adds hit hard and you don't really want to the tank taking all that damage...I found it is usually better to have the DPS kite them while killing them instead of having the tank absorb all the damage. Like the poster above said, any AOE knock-back/stun attacks work well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaryyn Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Are you using your threat drop on cd? MY gf plays a seer sage and I know she has a threat drop that is up like every 45 seconds or so. Make sure you use it when you are putting out your strongest heals so you don't pull threat. Also, any time a guardian tank is with you he/she can put you on "guard" which drops your threat by 25%. I always remind commandos that they have a threat drop as well called "diversion" which needs to be used on every cd as they have very strong burst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruuprect Posted January 23, 2012 Author Share Posted January 23, 2012 Are you using your threat drop on cd? MY gf plays a seer sage and I know she has a threat drop that is up like every 45 seconds or so. Make sure you use it when you are putting out your strongest heals so you don't pull threat. Also, any time a guardian tank is with you he/she can put you on "guard" which drops your threat by 25%. I always remind commandos that they have a threat drop as well called "diversion" which needs to be used on every cd as they have very strong burst. I do use the threat drop ability all the time, but it never seem like it works. Also I always make sure the tank has guard on me, unless someone else is pulling aggro more often than me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildStallion Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 I do use the threat drop ability all the time, but it never seem like it works. Also I always make sure the tank has guard on me, unless someone else is pulling aggro more often than me. You are pulling agro because you are playing with terrbile tanks. They should be able to easily hold agro on the boss and a couple of adds. Also i had to unbind my agro dump ability since i never used it, i am not far in end game yet ( a couple hardmodes and 4/5 EV) but healing threat seems very small. Also you have very good AOE heals as a sage, so tell your DPS to grab the adds (they should be doing this anyways) if they are on you so they can share tank heals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruuprect Posted January 23, 2012 Author Share Posted January 23, 2012 (edited) You are pulling agro because you are playing with terrbile tanks. They should be able to easily hold agro on the boss and a couple of adds. Also i had to unbind my agro dump ability since i never used it, i am not far in end game yet ( a couple hardmodes and 4/5 EV) but healing threat seems very small. Also you have very good AOE heals as a sage, so tell your DPS to grab the adds (they should be doing this anyways) if they are on you so they can share tank heals. Yea, this is the biggest issue with PuG's. I don't know enough about tanking in this game yet to know if it is the tanks fault or mine. And I lol when I have all 3 adds on me and the DPS are hitting the boss. I am starting to think my healing was fine and the DPS were bad, and 1 of the tanks was bad. The best attemps were with the trooper tank and I think he knew what he was doing as I could keep him up fine until the boss enraged. I think the dps was lacking in these instances. Thanks for the comments everyone. I will try a lot of the advice I got on here. Edit: Thank You for the constructive feedback, I thought I was going to get trolled hard for this thread. Edited January 23, 2012 by Ruuprect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLapp Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 If the boss is attacking you, that is the tanks fault and the tank would have to be awfully terrible not to hold aggro over a healer. If the adds are attacking you it is the DPS's fault. They should be killing them and at least be pulling 2 of the 3 off of you. Like I said, if the tank is grabbing aggro on all 3 adds it will probably be tough to keep him up for very long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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