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Let me just introduce you to this thread about weird people and weird behaviors that may result in losing aggro to a random dps or healer.

Also, good luck to that level 40 Guardian gathering high threat on a group of mobs before I grab everyone's attention with Forcequake + TK Wave on my Sage in her raiding gear. You are assuming everyone 1) reads guides 2) has all their level 65 abilities before they join a flashpoint 3) has proper gear in all slots.

Guard helps, especially if there is a disparity in gear, levels, and skill with your class. Accuracy won't do all the work for you. Guard gives tanks a buffer before they have to taunt in their rotation, and keeps some pressure off the party's HP. It's free damage reduction!

I've met amazing tanks that don't need to guard people because they are awesome at what they are doing, but if you're forcing me to facetank on my squishy Sage when there's a perfectly good Defense Guardian in Soresu, with my aggro drop on cooldown (and Blockout hurriedly selected in-between pulls because nope not melting while the tank does nothing), I'm going to ask you to do us all a favor and guard me. I follow kill order, but TK Wave is going to make that gold dislike me more than a little and I'd really like to make the healer's job easier, mate.

Not a GF and more so a reference to why guard and stuff, yesterday night I had a SM TFB, I was with my Shadow DPS. A class I don't have much experience, besides leveling up(not for the LvD event crap). So basically my rotation at this point is push anything that lights up and spam whatever I have. The gear on this toon is crap, like yavin force lord and fractured 178-200 crap, but you know bolster and SM, whatever.

I was ripping aggro constantly. That's what you get without guard.

This Guard thing reminds me of a few months ago, running tactical Assault on Tython. Two DPS (a guildie and I), a tank, a healer. A trinity! I trust the other DPS not to be an idiot! This will go well, right?

Ahahahaha that's adorable.

First off, the healer says that they are used to PvP mostly, but that they are an amazing healer and oh by the way they are used to being blamed if/when things go wrong but seriously they are one of the best PvP healers on the server you guys no they are the BEST LOOK AT ME. Whatever, cupcake. It's a tactical, we know what we're doing, we don't particularly care about your super leet skills at this game.

Things go relatively well until the consoles before the second boss. My guildie is constantly ripping aggro off the tank, so while waiting for people to catch up before a console, we ask for a guard on him.

Tank refuses. Why?

Tank: "You're a DPS, if I guard you you'll redirect too much damage to me. I'll guard the healer. I main a healer and when I heal I expect the tank to guard me."

(Oh, you're one of those snowflakes.)

DPS: "Uhm... that's not how guard works. The damage redirection is just for PvP, read the tooltip."

Healer: "You don't need to guard me, I'll be fine."

Tank: "I'm reading it RIGHT NOW and I mostly PvE and I know how it works!"

Group: "No... it really doesn't work like that, damage won't be redirected to you."

Tank: "Fine." *drops group*

Group: "..."

Well then. We bring in another guildie on a DPS. This is when the game decides to be weird. We had cleared the Flesh Raider ambush at the top of the pass, but it decided to trigger again for guildie2. There's a lot of pained yelping over TS, we run to the rescue, clear it, start heading back to consoles.

This is when the healer goes into full Behold The Length of My Lightsaber!* mode. There's a lot of talking and touting their own horn and stopping, either between groups or mid-combat, to flaunt their abilities. It's not like they were any sort of spectacular healer, this wasn't occasional typing during a channel or a cast, they would actively stop what they were doing to tell us how good they are at healing. (Fun fact: guildie and guildie2 are regular PvPers and had never heard of this person before. "You can now say you have played with one of the best PvP healers on server" indeed.)

We get to the second boss (finally!), and... the healer is gone. They're back on Coruscant.

Group: "Where are you?"

Healer: "The flashpoint is over."

Group: "...no. No it's not."

I don't quite recall if they came back or if we just decided that it wasn't worth the effort and the prattle and ran the rest with a companion. Either way, I have to wonder what was in the water that night. An illiterate tank and an egomaniac healer, in one flashpoint?

And people say that deeps players are the weird ones...

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* I did not actually mean the length of their lightsaber, let's be real here.

* I did not actually mean the length of their lightsaber, let's be real here.

You did not actually *need* to tell us that. We got it. Really.

This Guard thing reminds me of a few months ago, running tactical Assault on Tython. Two DPS (a guildie and I), a tank, a healer. A trinity! I trust the other DPS not to be an idiot! This will go well, right?

 

Ahahahaha that's adorable.

 

First off, the healer says that they are used to PvP mostly, but that they are an amazing healer and oh by the way they are used to being blamed if/when things go wrong but seriously they are one of the best PvP healers on the server you guys no they are the BEST LOOK AT ME. Whatever, cupcake. It's a tactical, we know what we're doing, we don't particularly care about your super leet skills at this game.

 

Things go relatively well until the consoles before the second boss. My guildie is constantly ripping aggro off the tank, so while waiting for people to catch up before a console, we ask for a guard on him.

 

Tank refuses. Why?

 

Tank: "You're a DPS, if I guard you you'll redirect too much damage to me. I'll guard the healer. I main a healer and when I heal I expect the tank to guard me."

 

(Oh, you're one of those snowflakes.)

 

DPS: "Uhm... that's not how guard works. The damage redirection is just for PvP, read the tooltip."

Healer: "You don't need to guard me, I'll be fine."

Tank: "I'm reading it RIGHT NOW and I mostly PvE and I know how it works!"

Group: "No... it really doesn't work like that, damage won't be redirected to you."

Tank: "Fine." *drops group*

Group: "..."

 

Well then. We bring in another guildie on a DPS. This is when the game decides to be weird. We had cleared the Flesh Raider ambush at the top of the pass, but it decided to trigger again for guildie2. There's a lot of pained yelping over TS, we run to the rescue, clear it, start heading back to consoles.

 

This is when the healer goes into full Behold The Length of My Lightsaber!* mode. There's a lot of talking and touting their own horn and stopping, either between groups or mid-combat, to flaunt their abilities. It's not like they were any sort of spectacular healer, this wasn't occasional typing during a channel or a cast, they would actively stop what they were doing to tell us how good they are at healing. (Fun fact: guildie and guildie2 are regular PvPers and had never heard of this person before. "You can now say you have played with one of the best PvP healers on server" indeed.)

 

We get to the second boss (finally!), and... the healer is gone. They're back on Coruscant.

 

Group: "Where are you?"

Healer: "The flashpoint is over."

Group: "...no. No it's not."

 

 

I don't quite recall if they came back or if we just decided that it wasn't worth the effort and the prattle and ran the rest with a companion. Either way, I have to wonder what was in the water that night. An illiterate tank and an egomaniac healer, in one flashpoint?

 

And people say that deeps players are the weird ones...

 

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* I did not actually mean the length of their lightsaber, let's be real here.

I could make so many fanfic out of this :D:D

Been doing quite a few flashpoints, both hard mode and tacticals with guildmates for the DvL achievement, they care a lot and I would stand AFK on fleet or lose mmr in dota, so might as well join them. I think we have yet to finish one flashpoint in which we don't kick one or two of the PUG:s for doing some horrible thing, like breaking a CC:ed target, not having the proper gear, low DPS, taking a few minutes to load/zoon into the FP or simply not running past skippable packs or not spacing through conversations.

My personal favourite experience was in the "Battle of Rishi, Hardmode" we ran a week ago, so it's me on a DPS, a friend on his tank and two Pugs filling in the last slots for DPS and Healer. We noticed kinda earlier how the PUG:s were maybe not the brightest of stars, they pull stuff that we don't need to, gets lost and delays the group at conversations and are unable to execute the mechanics on bosses. Anyway, the healer did some stupid **** on a boss, dies and thus causes a wipe, my guildmate, the delicate being that he is, decides to kick said healer. At this point I am thinking we might as well kick the other guy as well, cause in all fairness he failed more than the healer, just it's not that noticeable when a DPS fails. We summon our companions instead and despite some nice companion micro on the last was required, it went surprisingly well

Are droids taking over? Yes, I think they are.

Been doing quite a few flashpoints, both hard mode and tacticals with guildmates for the DvL achievement, they care a lot and I would stand AFK on fleet or lose mmr in dota, so might as well join them. I think we have yet to finish one flashpoint in which we don't kick one or two of the PUG:s for doing some horrible thing, like breaking a CC:ed target, not having the proper gear, low DPS, taking a few minutes to load/zoon into the FP or simply not running past skippable packs or not spacing through conversations.

 

My personal favourite experience was in the "Battle of Rishi, Hardmode" we ran a week ago, so it's me on a DPS, a friend on his tank and two Pugs filling in the last slots for DPS and Healer. We noticed kinda earlier how the PUG:s were maybe not the brightest of stars, they pull stuff that we don't need to, gets lost and delays the group at conversations and are unable to execute the mechanics on bosses. Anyway, the healer did some stupid **** on a boss, dies and thus causes a wipe, my guildmate, the delicate being that he is, decides to kick said healer. At this point I am thinking we might as well kick the other guy as well, cause in all fairness he failed more than the healer, just it's not that noticeable when a DPS fails. We summon our companions instead and proceed to one-shot every boss, sure some nice companion micro on the last was required but it went surprisingly well.

 

Are droids taking over? Yes, I think they are.

lol Riku, well thats what fps are about, pugs and noobs

I have to say i didnt run across any issues while doing the LvsD even fps, not even in the HM ones. But in one case i was kicked since i was still getting some mats on fleet so i can craft while doing the fps. Was just like 2 minutes, but i guess they were too impatient.

However, i wanted to always fill the needed key roles in the fps like tank or healer so that I am at least able to carry the pugs, but sometimes even the dps is and issue and yeah, mostly compaions perform better than 70% of the pugs.

There has been quite a few weird players today. For example level 56 or something Gunnery Commando in DoT cell (one used by Assault Specialist), who had very strange rotation: refresh Gravity Vortex when it's about to fall off or falls off, spam basic attack if Full Auto on cooldown, etc.

We also got obvious troll Sentinel (lvl50, one lightsaber) in Mandalorian Raiders. We didn't tolerate it long though.

Not to even mention level 55+ players who don't know how to do easy TFPs like D7 without healer companion.

There has been quite a few weird players today. For example level 56 or something Gunnery Commando in DoT cell (one used by Assault Specialist), who had very strange rotation: refresh Gravity Vortex when it's about to fall off or falls off, spam basic attack if Full Auto on cooldown, etc.

Using plasma cell instead of armor-piercing cell is wrong, but it isn't *SUPER-SERIOUS-MEGA-WRONG*. (Reference: I use plasma cell until I get armor-piercing cell and not a moment longer. I have seen the error of my noobish ways.) And it allows the secret pyromaniac that's in all of us a little freedom of expression. (That's just one of the reasons I liked GW2's Guardian class.)

However, not using Grav Round as the filler attack is beyond *SUPER-SERIOUS-MEGA-WRONG*, out into the outer darkness of wrongness. (Especially after the GravRound-FullAuto proc unlocks at level 40.)

Every now and then there's one who thinks FP ends after first or second boss. Maybe it's WoW thing or something.

Why would this be a WoW thing?

I use plasma cell until I get armor-piercing cell

Because you have to use Plasma Cell until level 20. There's just no other way. Of course you could choose to use nothing but that hurts your dps even more.

Yeah, there isn't much rotation going until level 40/42 when you start to get what Gunnery is all about. You really want to proc Curtain of Fire as often as possible.

Using plasma cell instead of armor-piercing cell is wrong, but it isn't *SUPER-SERIOUS-MEGA-WRONG*.

At level 56, a Gunnery Commando using plasma cell instead of armor piercing cell means their ammo regen is severely pharked due to not taking advantage of Cell Charger.

For solo play, nothing matters.

For group play? In my opinion it is absolutely is "SUPER-SERIOUS-MEGA-WRONG" and is indicative of the type of player that pays zero attention to how to play well (and doesn't care either).

Every now and then there's one who thinks FP ends after first or second boss. Maybe it's WoW thing or something.

Saw this in a run of EV where someone thanked everyone very much as if it was the end of a flashpoint and immediately dropped...after we killed Gharj.

At level 56, a Gunnery Commando using plasma cell instead of armor piercing cell means their ammo regen is severely pharked due to not taking advantage of Cell Charger.

 

For solo play, nothing matters.

 

For group play? In my opinion it is absolutely is "SUPER-SERIOUS-MEGA-WRONG" and is indicative of the type of player that pays zero attention to how to play well (and doesn't care either).

It's wrong but it probably wasn't intentional. I have healed several times with armor piercing because just forgot to switch to combat support when I respecced.

It's wrong but it probably wasn't intentional. I have healed several times with armor piercing because just forgot to switch to combat support when I respecced.

After this DvL I am not that sure.

In the past week I met in HM FP:

1) a combat sentinel who wasn't using Zen, Dispatch and from time to time used Precision(like once every 30s).

2) a DPS sage in shield/defense gear

3) a scoundrel who was using snipe(aiming shot?) from the cover ALL THE TIME

4) a gunslinger who was using only AoE and then running around wildly while using basic attack because "the energy was gone"

5) a DPS guardian who had the "green" form(damn, Soresu?) because it is a nicer picture on his buff panel

I also met a lot of people who knew what they were doing and played perfectly. But honestly, whenever I see someone doing stupid stuff I really think they're doing this because they don't know even the basics of their class.

After this DvL I am not that sure.

In the past week I met in HM FP:

1) a combat sentinel who wasn't using Zen, Dispatch and from time to time used Precision(like once every 30s).

2) a DPS sage in shield/defense gear

3) a scoundrel who was using snipe(aiming shot?) from the cover ALL THE TIME

4) a gunslinger who was using only AoE and then running around wildly while using basic attack because "the energy was gone"

5) a DPS guardian who had the "green" form(damn, Soresu?) because it is a nicer picture on his buff panel

 

I also met a lot of people who knew what they were doing and played perfectly. But honestly, whenever I see someone doing stupid stuff I really think they're doing this because they don't know even the basics of their class.

I am perfectly aware that there are some really bad players. The whole thread is full of such example. I just mention that sometimes it's an honest mistake being with the wrong cylinder or stance. It's partially BWs fault because they didn't make all the cylinders/charges/stances just passives in the disciplines. As a side effect that would quickly remove all the skank tanks from pvp. Also sometimes you can click off the buff and not even realize it. All these "skills" are not needed. Same can be said about sprint - if not the risk to click the buff off i'll never even consider putting it on my skill bars.

I am perfectly aware that there are some really bad players. The whole thread is full of such example. I just mention that sometimes it's an honest mistake being with the wrong cylinder or stance. It's partially BWs fault because they didn't make all the cylinders/charges/stances just passives in the disciplines. As a side effect that would quickly remove all the skank tanks from pvp. Also sometimes you can click off the buff and not even realize it. All these "skills" are not needed. Same can be said about sprint - if not the risk to click the buff off i'll never even consider putting it on my skill bars.

Hmm, I wanted to say something else - if someone is playing the way (s)he's supposed to play we usually ask why the weird form, cell whatever. And they usually write something like "OMG, thanks, just respecced and forget"(or "Damn, I accidentally turned it off, sorry") This can happen. But when players are doing stupid stuff they are just bad

I have an example from our guild raids. 3 months ago(+-) when DF was in priority we went there for easy 224 gear. And we kept dying on Brontess during the phase when Kephess keeps coming with nanites. One of our tanks kept dying on the "lightning" charges, this microphase of the combat has its own sounds and we wiped there probably more than 10 times. Once the Brontess died our tank said wonderful words - "Uhm, guys, do you know why we were dying? Inspect me!"(he took accidentally his old 180/190 gear instead of the 220/224 current one)

I, as a healer, still have nightmares whenever we go there and I hear those lightnings. bzzz bzz bzzz.

People make mistakes, that's why there's a rubber on pencils

I have an example from our guild raids. 3 months ago(+-) when DF was in priority we went there for easy 224 gear. And we kept dying on Brontess during the phase when Kephess keeps coming with nanites. One of our tanks kept dying on the "lightning" charges, this microphase of the combat has its own sounds and we wiped there probably more than 10 times. Once the Brontess died our tank said wonderful words - "Uhm, guys, do you know why we were dying? Inspect me!"(he took accidentally his old 180/190 gear instead of the 220/224 current one)

I, as a healer, still have nightmares whenever we go there and I hear those lightnings. bzzz bzz bzzz.

I have a similar story back from 2.x when we were doing DF but on CZ. We wiped maybe 7-8 times because the adds were dying too slowly and then the merc said - "omg, i don't have a cylinder" He had accidentally clicked it off.

The other day i was running a HM FP with GF, as it turns out only half of the tanks gear was actual tank gear. We wiped 6 times because of his pathetic attempt to tank. When I said something about it he said that besides tanking he wanted to do some damage as well.....

When i tried to explain that is where the DPS comes in he issued a kick for me, luckily we kicked him instead

People make mistakes, that's why there's a rubber on pencils

Be careful with that word. The one with an R at both ends. It has a different meaning in the US.

Be careful with that word. The one with an R at both ends. It has a different meaning in the US.

The irony is that it's not made of rubber

You did not actually *need* to tell us that. We got it. Really.

Spaceballs ?