Greetings fellow players. I have a lvl 50 sawbones, assault vanguard and a marksman sniper on the Tomb of Freedom Nadd server. I definitely am not the best scoundrel healer around, but i consider myself to be above average in terms of skill and understanding the game mechanics.

On the said server there are 4 competitive PvP guilds per faction more or less, who do both normals and ranked. So, its likely you ll get a ranked wz pop during peak hours at least.

So, why do we even join the normal q you will ask ? To begin with, some days we just lack a certain key class/cannot get a proper set up. Unfortunately, you simply cannot get a Commando to dps, you cannot q and hope to win without a shadow defending west and definitely need a sage for the bubbles. Long story short, ranked warzones team set up is greatly influenced by some "metagame rules" and ofcourse FoTM. Lets face it, one joins a PvP oriented guild in order to win ranked warzones.

Also, atleast in ToFN the pvp guilds more or less know if and when the other guild/guilds are going to form a team. Obviously theres no point in keeping your team up and waiting if you know noone is gonna q.

Obviously even if subs are actually going up it gets harder to recruit players who have both the skill and knowledge to play at a "competitive" level. Therefore, there is only one solution left, and thats normals.

Now. Do "hardcore elite facerolling and so on" guilds enjoy facerolling undergeared PUGS? Answer is obviously NO. Do we enjoy getting in warzones to see 4 green 14k recruits ? NO. Do we enjoy losing a game because the enemy premade got better randoms while ours are incompetent? NO. This isn't how PvP should be. Fyi hardcore pvping comes with the proper mentality. True pvpers don't qq about OP classes and gain satisfaction not from winning, but from winning the very best opposition.

Lets face it, PvP endgame is supposed to be Ranked Warzones. Sadly, its really hard to set up, given of course you intend to do it properly, since there is no real incentive for people to play. Personally i 've slacked plenty of times, choosing a good pint over ranked. Therefore, on plenty of cases, normal warzones is whats left.

There is also a double standard about premades. I have yet to see one of those self called "casual" players whine because he got teamed up with a premade, that in the end gave him an easy win. I think that your problem is not that premades are making PvP unfair, since an effortless win should annoy you equally. Its only the defeats that seem to brake the game. Please. I 've soloqd a bit during the past few weeks and i dare say there were plenty of games where 3 out of 4 participants were undergeared.

Now, about that 4 man ranked stupidity thats lurking around. You ppl being for it, merely choose to have Bioware place the problem on somebody elses lap, since the maps atm are not designed for 4v4 matches. It will more likely completely brake PvP instead of fixing it.

Last but not least. Atleast the premades i run do not capitalise on voice communication in order to win. We may or may not be on our Teamspeak server, but most of the times we win because we observe the battlefield and use common sense before using an ability. (Observation test: How many times did you bother pressing Map hotkey, check your weak node defenders name and keep an eye on his Healthbar on the Raidframe? This way you need not rely on him reporting INC. You just either report it yourself or move to help him on ur own. This wins games.)

Bottomline, in my opinion forcing people to not play with their mates in a MMO is just plain wrong and it will solve nothing. Even if players were allowed only to solo q for normals, then these very forums would flood with OMG NABS EVERYWHERE threads asking for another solution. The only way that might actually work is making ranked easier to set up by properly addresing class balance and perhaps giving players an incentive to play ranked (Perhaps mods/enhancements to make maxing easier after a certain rating for comms/credits - just an idea).

PS : Is it true that the SW:TOR PvP team is the one who came up with the bombing spec for Bright Wizards on WaR? You ppl actually managed to make something even worse. Congratulations.

thank you for your words.

they were quite wordy.

This well fall on deaf ears.

pretty much, bro.

tl;dr?

"Lets face it, PvP endgame is supposed to be Ranked Warzones. Sadly, its really hard to set up, given of course you intend to do it properly, since there is no real incentive for people to play. Personally i 've slacked plenty of times, choosing a good pint over ranked. Therefore, on plenty of cases, normal warzones is whats left. "

pvp in lotro is even more fun and it's called PvMP!!!!!

Tho I do enjoy pvp SWTPR sometimes it's 80% frustrating because of silly losses!

What I'd do is raise pvp cap atleast like 20-49

A lvl 10-19 joining a WZ is useless..

*yawn*

If you solo queued on ToFN you should know that you end up in a 4-man premade on your side once every 8 matches (imp side at least) or so and it's far from a guaranteed win because these premades from "top" guilds thinks too highly of themselves. If they were good then it shouldn't take over a minute for them to react to call for help on the side node while they're death matching at he huge stalemate at mid. I might be above average but trying to fend of 3 attackers on the side node by myself for over a minute is a bit hard even for me. Especially if the awesome premade can't cap mid with a 7 vs 4 advantage.

You just have to play PvP roulette on ToFN and leave matches sporting PvE heroes, too many guildless people or 3+ recruit geared people. I especially inspect premaders gear because chances are they are sporting black hole gear or some other crap gear. I certainly don't want 4 guaranteed idiots on my team from certain guilds whom we shouldn't mention. Otherwise pugging on the imperial side is usually without a lot of frustration because the puggers actually know how to PvP most of the time.

pvp in lotro is even more fun and it's called PvMP!!!!!

Lies. Current PvP(PvMP) in LOTRO is an absolute and detestable joke. Horrible beyond measure.

Lies. Current PvP(PvMP) in LOTRO is an absolute and detestable joke. Horrible beyond measure.

Yeah, talk about another company that had a GREAT idea and implemented it terribly. It really is a tragedy about that.

Yeah, talk about another company that had a GREAT idea and implemented it terribly. It really is a tragedy about that.

So basically SWTOR?

I don't mind seeing premades in PvP on either side. Again, people should be able to play with their friends and guildies.

I do mind when it becomes 5-10 matches in a row with all PuGs on my side against guilds that would/should be doing ranked. I don't much care for when it goes the other way either...I prefer close/interesting matches where we actually have to work for our wins.

Fortunately the gear gap is narrowing, so at least one of the barriers to successful pugging is going away.

Well said...

Unfortunately no matter how well said... they will QQ and none will have the epiphany of realizing that THEY'RE doing it wrong.

I mean... the logic behind the realization that playing a massively multi-player game... solo... is not ideal... well that's just too much logic for one person to soak in at one time.

Apparently there's some kind of "pride mentality" behind it quite often. I'm going to attempt this prideful gimping of myself later. When I hit the gym tonight I'm going to soak my hands in olive oil first just to make it tougher... then when I fail at benching 400 lbs I'll blame it on the oil.

Well said...

 

Unfortunately no matter how well said... they will QQ and none will have the epiphany of realizing that THEY'RE doing it wrong.

 

I mean... the logic behind the realization that playing a massively multi-player game... solo... is not ideal... well that's just too much logic for one person to soak in at one time.

 

Apparently there's some kind of "pride mentality" behind it quite often. I'm going to attempt this prideful gimping of myself later. When I hit the gym tonight I'm going to soak my hands in olive oil first just to make it tougher... then when I fail at benching 400 lbs I'll blame it on the oil.

Do you even lift? Join the big league where we grease our bodies all up.

Well said...

 

Unfortunately no matter how well said... they will QQ and none will have the epiphany of realizing that THEY'RE doing it wrong.

 

I mean... the logic behind the realization that playing a massively multi-player game... solo... is not ideal... well that's just too much logic for one person to soak in at one time.

 

Apparently there's some kind of "pride mentality" behind it quite often. I'm going to attempt this prideful gimping of myself later. When I hit the gym tonight I'm going to soak my hands in olive oil first just to make it tougher... then when I fail at benching 400 lbs I'll blame it on the oil.

tl:dr: You must do it one way.

Do you even lift? Join the big league where we grease our bodies all up.

We should have a power lifting comp to settle our disputes in the future.

And grease your bodies up huh? That sounds very hetero...

tl:dr: You must do it one way.

Why reply?

It's not even about marauders...

Why reply?

 

It's not even about marauders...

Nerf them now! (no really, right now.)

We should have a power lifting comp to settle our disputes in the future.

 

And grease your bodies up huh? That sounds very hetero...

Greasing up is very manly and chicks dig your shiny muscles. Uh oh in before massive post deletion. I don't even know why I reply to the forums anymore since about 30% of my post disappear into thin air.