JP_Legatus Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 (edited) Marauder: now has free force scream in smash, previously only for juggs now has less health used undying rage now only needs 3 stacks to get a full 2x damage smash crit and the nerf: now gets +15% crit damage to everything instead of +30% crit damage to just smash force choke no longer adds stacks of shockwave discuss Edited February 23, 2013 by JP_Legatus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L-RANDLE Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Marauder: now has free force scream in smash, previously only for juggs now has lower cd on undying rage, and less health used now only needs 3 stacks to get a full 2x damage smash crit and the nerf: now gets +15% crit damage to everything instead of +30% crit damage to just smash discuss You missed one. "Stasis no longer builds stacks" should be in the nerf column. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
znihilist Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 (edited) Marauder: now has free force scream in smash, previously only for juggs now has lower cd on undying rage, and less health used now only needs 3 stacks to get a full 2x damage smash crit and the nerf: now gets +15% crit damage to everything instead of +30% crit damage to just smash discuss Rage was a AOE tree and that's it. Everyone screamed nerf nerf. They nerfed the damage on smash. They gave these people a chance in fighting by increasing crit. So what ? and this: You missed one. "Stasis no longer builds stacks" should be in the nerf column. Edited February 22, 2013 by znihilist spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L-RANDLE Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Marauder: now has free force scream in smash, previously only for juggs now has lower cd on undying rage, and less health used now only needs 3 stacks to get a full 2x damage smash crit and the nerf: now gets +15% crit damage to everything instead of +30% crit damage to just smash discuss You should also reword the crit mutiplier statement. 30% was on all Force attacks. Scream is a powerful force attack, but the funny part is, they made both AC's more deadly now, and the "Smash" nerf amounts to little when you are still hitting people for around 4-5k... Easily still one of the best burst attacks in the game, AOE or not. and now MS/RAV VS/SLA get a buff? We are being seriousinged..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venjirai Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Marauder: now has lower cd on undying rage, and less health used discuss They always had this. And -25% hp used when activating gbtf doesn't make any sense, as you are still only using it when having low hp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
criminalheretic Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 You should also reword the crit mutiplier statement. 30% was on all Force attacks. Scream is a powerful force attack, but the funny part is, they made both AC's more deadly now, and the "Smash" nerf amounts to little when you are still hitting people for around 4-5k... Easily still one of the best burst attacks in the game, AOE or not. and now MS/RAV VS/SLA get a buff? We are being seriousinged..... And don't forget they get a 9% damage buff on all attacks for 6 seconds after using smash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArchangelLBC Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 You also forgot that after the first Sweep/Smash they have a more or less permanent 9% damage increase (lasts 18 seconds, but sweep is on a 15s cooldown which you can lower with slash which you should be slashing). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sphyg Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Does zen still give you stacks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArchangelLBC Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Sure does! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sphyg Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 I think that should change. Give I'd a way to make it back with choke or stasis. At least that can be interrupted. Just my thoughts. And I play a sentinel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knockerz Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 (edited) They always had this. And -25% hp used when activating gbtf doesn't make any sense, as you are still only using it when having low hp. They could just make so that you can only use it if your hp is above lets say 25% or 35% of their life or at some other higher percentage, which effectively forces sentinels or maras to use use it early or lose the ability to use it. Thus, you remove the ability for them to use it at low health, then maras and sentinels get the hp penalty for using it or can't use it if they fall below that required hp percentage. Edited February 22, 2013 by Knockerz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArchangelLBC Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 I like it personally. The sweeps themselves will do a tad less damage with the nerf to Force Crit multiplier. Making Force Exhaustion the only source of stacks would be a mistake as it would severely gut the class. I do laugh at the stasis CD reduction talent in the tree now that stasis no longer grants stacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HelinCarnate Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 They could just make so that you can only use it if your hp is above lets say 25% or 35% of their life or at some other higher percentage, which effectively forces sentinels or maras to use use it early or lose the ability to use it. Thus, you remove the ability for them to use it at low health, then maras and sentinels get the hp penalty for using it or can't use it if they fall below that required hp percentage. Or have it take the percentage based off your max hp instead of your current hp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashbrother Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 (edited) I like it personally. The sweeps themselves will do a tad less damage with the nerf to Force Crit multiplier. Making Force Exhaustion the only source of stacks would be a mistake as it would severely gut the class. I do laugh at the stasis CD reduction talent in the tree now that stasis no longer grants stacks. There used to be a talent that reduced cd on stasis way back. I'm pretty mad that a mara's focus tree is so much better than the guardians though. Where they get a significant lower cd on UR and inc damage red, guardians get lol 2 less focus cost on FD. That **** should be free. Edited February 23, 2013 by Smashbrother Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NathanielStarr Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 They won't nerf Sents/Mars because they have already forced the majority of PvPers to be one. It is bad business to piss off the majority of your player base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tekhiun Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 They won't nerf Sents/Mars because they have already forced the majority of PvPers to be one. It is bad business to piss off the majority of your player base. This. What buff did did sorcs get on pvp ? 0 =) They dont care cause no one plays sorcs anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP_Legatus Posted February 23, 2013 Author Share Posted February 23, 2013 They won't nerf Sents/Mars because they have already forced the majority of PvPers to be one. It is bad business to piss off the majority of your player base. lol Anyways I did miss a bunch of stuff, fixed it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raansu Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 They won't nerf Sents/Mars because they have already forced the majority of PvPers to be one. It is bad business to piss off the majority of your player base. 1.2 sorc nerf begs to differ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theSCARAYone Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 You missed one. "Stasis no longer builds stacks" should be in the nerf column. DERP - Stasis=Choke, Shockwave=Singularity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NogueiraA Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 Less damage AOE, more damage single target. People asking smash nerf, remeber your class has 4sec stun, marauders/sent not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amebia Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 So a hard hitting auto crit aoe and the best defensive cooldowns are justified because of the lack of a hard stun? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NogueiraA Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 So a hard hitting auto crit aoe and the best defensive cooldowns are justified because of the lack of a hard stun? ? Yes. You can stunlock me for 4 or more seconds, I need a high burst to compensate the time I'm stunned.. I have no crowd control so I can not stop you, you are dpsing me all the time. This is why marauders has more than 2 defensive cooldowns. There's so many times when I don't have my cc breaker up, I die for a 8sec stunlock.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravashakk Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 Yes. You can stunlock me for 4 or more seconds, I need a high burst to compensate the time I'm stunned.. I have no crowd control so I can not stop you, you are dpsing me all the time. This is why marauders has more than 2 defensive cooldowns. There's so many times when I don't have my cc breaker up, I die for a 8sec stunlock.. Tired of the misuse of the term stun lock. 4 sec stun lock? Really? In Wow getting stun locked meant upwards of 20+ sec of no action. I also despise when ppl say stun when they are in a cc breakable by dmg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerain Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 Just be happy that Free Scream is Shii-cho form only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keldaur Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 Marauder: now has free force scream in smash, previously only for juggs now has less health used undying rage now only needs 3 stacks to get a full 2x damage smash crit and the nerf: now gets +15% crit damage to everything instead of +30% crit damage to just smash force choke no longer adds stacks of shockwave discuss charge/oblit have now a free 12 second snare so you don't need to waste GCD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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