sabbrina Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Most of the complaints i see on the pvp forums are people complaining about too many smashers, while i do see them as the flavor of the month on the other end of the spectrum there is 5 shadows. At least with a smasher you can see it coming and avoid some of the damage. I would much rather die to 1 big hit occassionally as to be repeatedly beat down by 5 stealth classes. There is lil you can do against a shadow/tankasin. there is nothing this class cant do, the have stealth, mitigation,high dmg burst speed cloak and just when you think you have them dead poof they vanish and are gone to heal up and come back and do it again. So a guy smashes you once big deal you see him slowly running up to you and you know to avoid him or burn him, with all the shadow/sins its impossible to see it or prevent it. So my gripe is this....quit griping about 5 smahers when these stealth classes run rampant and no one complains. Oh wait the people griping about smashers ARE the OP stealth classes, nice to turn the attention somewhere else and take the focus off your OP asses:rak_02: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rynis Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 I don't always stack OP classes...but when I do, I stack assassins. Stay mad bro. http://i.imgur.com/pMtbwvK.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cycao Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Good to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAMuttoni Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 I don't always stack OP classes...but when I do, I stack assassins. Stay mad bro. http://i.imgur.com/pMtbwvK.jpg I'm gonna copy your UI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royox Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 I don't always stack OP classes...but when I do, I stack assassins. Stay mad bro. http://i.imgur.com/pMtbwvK.jpg PVP nightmare mode ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vladunk Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Great pic...never been part of an all stealth team, but once I was the only non-stealth class...that really sucked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoliteAssasin Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Great pic...never been part of an all stealth team, but once I was the only non-stealth class...that really sucked Lol you must have gotten plenty of attention being the only visible player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabbrina Posted January 28, 2013 Author Share Posted January 28, 2013 UI and cool pics HELLO you're completely overlooking the original post:eek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smellmop Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 had a full group of shadows once on lowbie pvp....ridiculous roflstomp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthOvertone Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 Great pic...never been part of an all stealth team, but once I was the only non-stealth class...that really sucked That would be rough. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banderal Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 UI and cool pics HELLO you're completely overlooking the original post:eek: Right. This is the forums. Isn't that what is supposed to happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowflab Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 (edited) Most of the complaints i see on the pvp forums are people complaining about too many smashers, while i do see them as the flavor of the month on the other end of the spectrum there is 5 shadows. At least with a smasher you can see it coming and avoid some of the damage. I would much rather die to 1 big hit occassionally as to be repeatedly beat down by 5 stealth classes. There is lil you can do against a shadow/tankasin. there is nothing this class cant do, the have stealth, mitigation,high dmg burst speed cloak and just when you think you have them dead poof they vanish and are gone to heal up and come back and do it again. So a guy smashes you once big deal you see him slowly running up to you and you know to avoid him or burn him, with all the shadow/sins its impossible to see it or prevent it. So my gripe is this....quit griping about 5 smahers when these stealth classes run rampant and no one complains. Oh wait the people griping about smashers ARE the OP stealth classes, nice to turn the attention somewhere else and take the focus off your OP asses:rak_02: Damn those 31/31/31 spec'd shadows and sins. Damn them straight to hell!!! On a serious note, no one single spec of the AC has all of the characteristics you've described. It's a give and take. Unlike marauders... This post is incredibly ironic as well. Your last sentence is actually what you're trying to do yourself. Edited January 29, 2013 by Cowflab Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RougeBeaver Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 Nerf operatives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizersan Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 The thing is if those smashers have like 3 healers there going to be killing much faster because while the shadows might have better single target damage the just like 2 smasher can drop most of a team to almost death or death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rincewend Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 Great pic...never been part of an all stealth team, but once I was the only non-stealth class...that really sucked Been stuck like that on my Sorc, Death came quick and often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkSaberMaster Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 I don't always stack OP classes...but when I do, I stack assassins. Stay mad bro. http://i.imgur.com/pMtbwvK.jpg Lol.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aluvi Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 assassin/shadow are the strongest class overall, period. I've been saying htat for months, our guild has known that for months. Problem is, there are only about 2 or 3 assassins on our server that play them correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lalainnia Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 assassin/shadow are the strongest class overall, period. I've been saying htat for months, our guild has known that for months. Problem is, there are only about 2 or 3 assassins on our server that play them correctly. This^ (to many hybrids!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdubballer Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 Smash spec may lead warzones in damage and give you big hits and such, but try guarding a node in that spec. With all the maps that require you to guard a node, i would take a team full of shadows/assassins over a team of smashers any day. For example, ancient hypergate is just ridiculous with a bunch of stealth on 1 team. Just my opinion though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theholycarp Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 Smash spec may lead warzones in damage and give you big hits and such, but try guarding a node in that spec. With all the maps that require you to guard a node, i would take a team full of shadows/assassins over a team of smashers any day. For example, ancient hypergate is just ridiculous with a bunch of stealth on 1 team. Just my opinion though. I once had to defend against 4 assassins 2 operatives on voidstar. It was an extremely stressful experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LastWizard Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 Smash spec may lead warzones in damage and give you big hits and such, but try guarding a node in that spec. With all the maps that require you to guard a node, i would take a team full of shadows/assassins over a team of smashers any day. For example, ancient hypergate is just ridiculous with a bunch of stealth on 1 team. Just my opinion though. A marauder can. Just stand 30m away and they can't cap. I've seen it done before in ranked. Assassins/Shadows may be the best, but how many can play the class correctly? One of the problems with the class is that people immediately run hybrids without running the full specs. To use the hybrids correctly you need to learn about the pros/cons of each spec before mixing them. Just my 2 cents, also I'll be posting about specs for hybrids/full to help the curve. I knew I had to say something when I had 23/1/17 telling me it was his job to guard the healer when I'm running full darkness/kinetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rainbow Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 (edited) To use the hybrids correctly you need to learn about the pros/cons of each spec before mixing them. Yep. But that is exactly the reason why smash monkies work and (hybrid) assassin doesn't (at least at that personal skill level). For smash monkey you just have to be in the zerg and press 3 abilities - not even in the right order except for smash itself. You don't have to worry about your positioning, just have enough reds around you. That way even a totally retarded player could press a few buttons and still be a little useful to the team, although the class is capable of more. For any other class, that requies thinking and knowing your class. Edited January 29, 2013 by rainbow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrmngndr Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 I don't always stack OP classes...but when I do, I stack assassins. Stay mad bro. http://i.imgur.com/pMtbwvK.jpg I need to see the video of this badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashbrother Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 (edited) A marauder can. Just stand 30m away and they can't cap. I've seen it done before in ranked. Assassins/Shadows may be the best, but how many can play the class correctly? One of the problems with the class is that people immediately run hybrids without running the full specs. To use the hybrids correctly you need to learn about the pros/cons of each spec before mixing them. Just my 2 cents, also I'll be posting about specs for hybrids/full to help the curve. I knew I had to say something when I had 23/1/17 telling me it was his job to guard the healer when I'm running full darkness/kinetic. If they have two stealth they will cap on any lone defender. I'd rather face 5 smashers than 5 sins. What you can see is much less scary than what you can't. Edited January 29, 2013 by Smashbrother Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aluvi Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 Yep. But that is exactly the reason why smash monkies work and (hybrid) assassin doesn't (at least at that personal skill level). For smash monkey you just have to be in the zerg and press 3 abilities - not even in the right order except for smash itself. You don't have to worry about your positioning, just have enough reds around you. That way even a totally retarded player could press a few buttons and still be a little useful to the team, although the class is capable of more. For any other class, that requies thinking and knowing your class. I don't really get the whole "your spec is easy to play so you = bad" argument that everyone seems to be throwing around. Personally, I find Carnage and Annihilation just as easy, if not easier than Rage, primarily because with Rage you are juggling Fury + Rage (2 resources, compared to most classes using 2), and getting into position for an optimal smash, which when there are 8 moving targets spread out across a 100 x 100 yard map (or larger), and the fact that your damage output is going to be crap for the next 8-12 seconds after smashing.. you have to make it count. Then there's also prioritizing targets (healers and high threat dps) as well. I've played an assassin in PvP, and a Pyrotech. Both seemed easier to me, and that includes doing things like sap / zap capping nodes in front of players, correctly using pulls/stuns to kill ball carriers in huttball, proper knockbacks, ball carrying, etc. The easiest class by far that I have played has been Pyro Powertech. There is a priority system but it's quite easy. As for saying "you don't even need to use abilities in the right order", that just isn't true at all. To play Rage properly there is a somewhat complex priority system on abilities. Knowing when to use Force Crush or Choke, Rupture, always having a 4 stack + autocrit buff up when smash is ready, never starving yourself for Rage, etc, and of course the most important part of this spec - positioning yourself through 10 million stuns/slows/knockbacks/roots. I was knocked back / slowed / rooted 7 times in a row last night without getting full resolve lol. I'm willing to bet that 99% of the people making the claim "Rage is no skill involved" have never actually played a warrior, let alone a level 50 Rage spec. Do I find it difficult to play? Absolutely not. But then again, I have yet to find a class in this game that is "hard" to play correctly. In short, if you want to complain about skill required, go play Starcraft 2. This game does not require much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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