Krazy_Karl Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 A little disappointed at what appears to be a noticeable step down in difficulty on 8 Man. This has been true since EV/KP Nightmare on 16M with the exception of 16M HM Explosive conflict which was significantly easier with 16 players (mistakes could be recovered from in 16M, whereas on 8M a mistake meant a wipe). I contend than every fight in 16M HM EC was easier with 16 versus 8. The real difficulty in 16M HM over 8M HM in Terror From Beyond is the fact that there are an extra 8 players who could make a mistake, thereby increasing the likelyhood of a wipe by 100%. Every fight is execution based. And a single mistake will wipe the raid regardless of 8M HM or 16M HM. This equates the level of difficulty in terms of skill as identical between 16M HM and 8M HM. The level of difficulty in terms of execution comes down to the fact that there are twice as many players engaging the boss, doubling the likelihood of a wipe. Regards, KK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkcy Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 (edited) <Legionnaires of Liberty> Republic Downed 8 man: Eternity Vault: SM / HM / NiM Karagga's Place: SM / HM/ NiM Explosive Conflict : SM Terror From Beyond: SM Our Guild name was changed from <Anonymous @ The Shadowlands> to the name seen above. I forgot to take pic for TFB I will this upcoming week http://i1054.photobucket.com/albums/s484/Patrick_Keller/Untitled-13.png Please change to NiM as stated above Edited October 2, 2012 by Darkcy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fearrious Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 The Shadowlands Progression thread is back! Tier 3 - 16 Man Terror From Beyond WH/ DG/ OIX/KTU/ TFB- Stoic(HM Kephess 10/01/12) WH/DG/ OIX/ KTU/ TFB- Shadow Dragon Universe (HM Operator IX 09/30/12) WH/ DG/ OIX/ KTU/ TFB- Undercon(HM Writhing Horror 09/27/12) WH/ DG/ OIX/ KTU/ TFB-Paradigm(HM Writhing Horror 09/30/12) While I appreciate the credit for 16(we'll get it soon), we did KTU on 8 man. I don't know how you want to handle this because we did all of the other bosses on 16 man, but I just wanted to clarify that we have NOT killed Kephess on 16 man. Monday is not our usual night - we just got 8 people together to learn the mechanics so we could translate that into 16 man success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoxIrradiata Posted October 2, 2012 Author Share Posted October 2, 2012 Updated. Corrected HM Kephess kill listing for Stoic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typeslice Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 (edited) This has been true since EV/KP Nightmare on 16M with the exception of 16M HM Explosive conflict which was significantly easier with 16 players (mistakes could be recovered from in 16M, whereas on 8M a mistake meant a wipe). I contend than every fight in 16M HM EC was easier with 16 versus 8. The real difficulty in 16M HM over 8M HM in Terror From Beyond is the fact that there are an extra 8 players who could make a mistake, thereby increasing the likelyhood of a wipe by 100%. Every fight is execution based. And a single mistake will wipe the raid regardless of 8M HM or 16M HM. This equates the level of difficulty in terms of skill as identical between 16M HM and 8M HM. The level of difficulty in terms of execution comes down to the fact that there are twice as many players engaging the boss, doubling the likelihood of a wipe. Regards, KK I would contend, at least on dread guards (since its the only one I've done in both configurations), that it tuned slightly higher on 16. It is a heal intensive fight, and it is considerably easier to heal on 8 man, taking raid healing out of the equation. The difference in perceived difficulty was so stark that Im unable to chalk it up completely to the extra 8 players yet. That beig said, I absolutely agree that carrying 16 players versus 8 adds inherent extra difficulty, but from what I saw it was more than that in this instance. Additionally, if I'm not mistaken (which i often am =P) it was noted by PTS guilds testing on 16 that it seemed to be tuned higher. Edited October 2, 2012 by Typeslice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luecian Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 Kaizen is 3/4 HM EC and cleared SM TFB on 9/27/2012. Link to screenshot below from our Gallery. http://kaizen.enjin.com/gallery/m/2469035/detail/75721#pid=825651 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luecian Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 Sorry, also Kaizen is a republic side guild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veyl Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 Updated. Corrected HM Kephess kill listing for Stoic. How have they only killed Kephess? Did they skip the first 3 bosses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niorlan Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 (edited) <The Revenant> Has cleared the Dread Guard for Hard mode Terror From Beyond for 8man (Empire). We cleared this yesterday (10/1): http://i47.tinypic.com/npj77p.jpg Edited October 2, 2012 by Niorlan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzazaelLoki Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 How have they only killed Kephess? Did they skip the first 3 bosses? He clearly stated in his post that the first 3 were done on 16 man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dxyn Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 (edited) <Shifted> Empire 8 Man Eternity Vault - SM/HM Full Clear Karraga's Palace - SM/HM Full Clear Explosive Conflict - SM (ZT and FS cleared) Thanks Edited October 2, 2012 by dxyn typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaymus Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 Deceit downed the Horror on 10/1. Link to kill vid. We are also 4/5 SM on 9/26 but alas no one took any screenies from either raid group Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Temeluchus Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 Eternity Forgiven downed CV on EC HM and cleared up to Terror in TFB SM before we got greedy and started farming trash. I'll have to see if anyone snapped any screenies for the TFB SM and I'll post the link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehneu Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Starhawk Conglomerate, an Imperial guild, has downed Kephess the Undying tonight on 8 man Story Mode. Time of the kill was 22:15. Link to the screen shot can be located here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoxIrradiata Posted October 3, 2012 Author Share Posted October 3, 2012 Updated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalthalos Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Kaizen - HM TFB Writhing Horror down. http://kaizen.enjin.com/gallery/m/2469035/detail/75721#pid=833768 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOUSEKETEERS Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Shot F1rst has killed Operator IX on HM 8. http://files1.guildlaunch.net/guild/library/gallery/252702/screenshot_2012-10-02_23_55_51_8269505728.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoxIrradiata Posted October 3, 2012 Author Share Posted October 3, 2012 Updated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krazy_Karl Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Shot F1rst has killed Operator IX on HM 8. http://files1.guildlaunch.net/guild/library/gallery/252702/screenshot_2012-10-02_23_55_51_8269505728.jpg I thought you guys were doing 16M HM? Do we need to watch our backs now for Terror From Beyond? The bugs are getting as frustrating as SOA 1.0 with people just dropping dead from fall damage. Regards, KK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOUSEKETEERS Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 I thought you guys were doing 16M HM? Do we need to watch our backs now for Terror From Beyond? The bugs are getting as frustrating as SOA 1.0 with people just dropping dead from fall damage. Regards, KK Right now our raid nights feels like shaking a magic 8 ball as to whether or not we'll do 16 or 8 lol. School and work schedules are killing us right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMGitsCHARLIE Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 (edited) Lunchbox has cleared 8M HM Operator 9 and Kephess on 10/3/12 http://i.imgur.com/8Hzkc.jpg http://i.imgur.com/BGqmq.jpg (technically since the kill was at midnight 10/4/12 ) Edited October 4, 2012 by OMGitsCHARLIE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typeslice Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 Undercon 16M HM Dread Guards 10:06 EST http://files1.guildlaunch.net/guild/library/241577/UC__16M_HM_Dread_Guards_(10.3.12).png still no strats or vids Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavery Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 Stoic downed Kephess the Undying in 16-player Hard Mode @ 9:48pm EST (server first)! Link: http://files.enjin.com.s3.amazonaws.com/196331/module_gallery/original/834887.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devtek Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 (edited) The Gray Order: Terror From Beyond DOWN on 8man HM!!!!! We got the pet btw http://imgur.com/iEJbw Edited October 4, 2012 by devtek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzazaelLoki Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 (edited) Volition has cleared Op 9 on 8man HM 10/3. http://i.imgur.com/PiM50.jpg Edited October 4, 2012 by AzazaelLoki Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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