Captainejo Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 We should be able to que 8 mans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowOfLies Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 (edited) maybe in 2 years when bioware realize pvp>pve maybe not.. but on another note here's me in the studio Edited July 15, 2014 by ShadowOfLies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaLeX Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 Signed. Allow 2 four man teams. Arenas have become a que dodging que syncing mess stacked with juggs and a miscule participation rate. Make that format 1 v 1 or 2 v 2. Knowing the pvp budget is only enough for maybe 2 devs, the 2 fourman option is probably the easiest and cheapest fix for this mess they created. Plus you can always blame the other 4 man group if you lose so people won't get as butthurt and stop queuing after 2 matches. It would also add meaning to being in a guild once again and I bet many former players would come back to at least check it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThorgrimLutgen Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 (edited) Signed. Allow 2 four man teams. Arenas have become a que dodging que syncing mess stacked with juggs and a miscule participation rate. Make that format 1 v 1 or 2 v 2. Knowing the pvp budget is only enough for maybe 2 devs, the 2 fourman option is probably the easiest and cheapest fix for this mess they created. Plus you can always blame the other 4 man group if you lose so people won't get as butthurt and stop queuing after 2 matches. It would also add meaning to being in a guild once again and I bet many former players would come back to at least check it out. I love the way you assume there are any devs working on pvp. Edited July 15, 2014 by ThorgrimLutgen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowOfLies Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 I love the way you assume there are any devs working on pvp. this ^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiRunner Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 Guys, keep a little perspective on PvP updates. You guys get tweaks and updates all the time. Heck, you have even gotten new warzones and arenas, plus an additional huttball map that was so requested on the forums when I left.. Compare that to say, The secret world PvP, which hasn't even had a single new map. After playing TSW and having been waiting for an AFK mechanic SINCE LAUNCH I find all opinions about the slowness of other games' updates laughable. Still, not having Ranked 8-man queing has got to be one of the stupidest things I have heard about in any MMO. Isn't the whole point being who is the best team? Before I left (i just got back by the way) I had a blast with my guild (which has now disintegrated, i'v been away a long time). I feel this was such a stupid move, there has to be something genius that I am missing; so I need some context. Why was this even removed in the first place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fidelicatessen Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 The reason given was "nobody was using it, plus queue times were long because it took 16 players to fill a match. Instead, we've given you TEAM DEATHMATCH ONLY since that seems to make so many people so freakin' happy in other games." I'm not bitter. Not at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ancagalon Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 I love the way you assume there are any devs working on pvp. yep +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burrowa Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 (edited) but on another note here's me in the studio lmao /5char Edited July 16, 2014 by Burrowa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryvirath Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 God, just allow solo ranked 8 man queing. If nothing else those games depict a larger sample size of skill due to the increased matched duration and respawn. They also happen to be immensely more enjoyable. Competitive players have been de-incentivized straight out of the most enjoyable pvp format. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raansu Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 (edited) Why was this even removed in the first place? The main reason was balance. They wanted pvp balance to be focused around arenas so I guess they figured it would be easier if arena was the only ranked format. The other was population. They probably thought the split between the two ranks would be too much. Personally I feel they should of left both in and let the community decide and then go from there instead of straight up removing it, but sadly at this point it would be too late to bring 8v8 back. Edited July 16, 2014 by Raansu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoom_VI Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 The main reason was balance. They wanted pvp balance to be focused around arenas so I guess they figured it would be easier if arena was the only ranked format. The other was population. They probably thought the split between the two ranks would be too much. Personally I feel they should of left both in and let the community decide and then go from there instead of straight up removing it, but sadly at this point it would be too late to bring 8v8 back. ^^this I will point out that ranked 8v8 pretty much existed on only two servers. Additionally with the exception of huttball none of the 8v8 maps every really worked well in the uber competitive ranked. 8v8 was ridiculously and obscenely cookie-cutter strategy all over. Not to mention the fact that 99% of the time whoever capped the first node wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ancagalon Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 ^^this I will point out that ranked 8v8 pretty much existed on only two servers. Additionally with the exception of huttball none of the 8v8 maps every really worked well in the uber competitive ranked. 8v8 was ridiculously and obscenely cookie-cutter strategy all over. Not to mention the fact that 99% of the time whoever capped the first node wins. So this guy have been in all server since he know that 8v8 existed on 2 server and he know the truth!! 99% if you capped the first node you win. This post is a joke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raansu Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 (edited) So this guy have been in all server since he know that 8v8 existed on 2 server and he know the truth!! 99% if you capped the first node you win. This post is a joke As far as NA servers went the only "healthy" ranked was on POT5 and Bastion. The other servers had "some" but it was hardly consistent. JC had 3 or 4 teams but only two of them ever queued consistently, thus the creation of kickball came about. It only got worse with server transfers (which I knew would happen) where most every good team on each server moved to pot5 or bastion. If I recall after transfers pot5 had like 15+ teams queueing. JC ranked died after transfers as all the teams went to pot5. As far as the first node cap. There is a large amount of truth to that in CW. The majority of the time in ranked the middle became a stalemate. Rarely was either team willing to risk hitting an off node and the general strategy was to slow the side cap till your team cap first. So yes, the majority of the time the first to cap the side won the game. Edited July 16, 2014 by Raansu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediMasterSLC Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 (edited) The main reason was balance. They wanted pvp balance to be focused around arenas so I guess they figured it would be easier if arena was the only ranked format. The other was population. They probably thought the split between the two ranks would be too much. Personally I feel they should of left both in and let the community decide and then go from there instead of straight up removing it, but sadly at this point it would be too late to bring 8v8 back. If they wanted balance to center around arenas, why aren't they balancing around arenas o.O Oh that's right cause there is no dev team. Edited July 16, 2014 by JediMasterSLC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediMasterSLC Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 Additionally with the exception of huttball none of the 8v8 maps every really worked well in the uber competitive ranked. And novare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoom_VI Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 (edited) And novare. touché, but huttball is still better. Novare still tended to be highly cookie-cutter in terms of strategy. Edited July 16, 2014 by Zoom_VI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PloGreen Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 (edited) As far as NA servers went the only "healthy" ranked was on POT5 and Bastion. The other servers had "some" but it was hardly consistent. JC had 3 or 4 teams but only two of them ever queued consistently, thus the creation of kickball came about. It only got worse with server transfers (which I knew would happen) where most every good team on each server moved to pot5 or bastion. If I recall after transfers pot5 had like 15+ teams queueing. JC ranked died after transfers as all the teams went to pot5. As far as the first node cap. There is a large amount of truth to that in CW. The majority of the time in ranked the middle became a stalemate. Rarely was either team willing to risk hitting an off node and the general strategy was to slow the side cap till your team cap first. So yes, the majority of the time the first to cap the side won the game. There is life outside of America you know ranked had a nice scene on both tre (was well organised) and tofn. Server xfers to play 8v8 to tofn - 8v8 removal. Mass exodus of pvp guilds from game. That's how it was in Europe. Guessing it was the same in the rest of the world. Edited July 16, 2014 by PloGreen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthOvertone Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 The title of this thread should be: "BW, You Took Something Away...Now We Want It Back" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryannnnnnn Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 /signed, bring back 8v8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotorCityMan Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 Bioware already was asked this. Their answer was NO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raazmir Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 ^^this I will point out that ranked 8v8 pretty much existed on only two servers. Additionally with the exception of huttball none of the 8v8 maps every really worked well in the uber competitive ranked. 8v8 was ridiculously and obscenely cookie-cutter strategy all over. Not to mention the fact that 99% of the time whoever capped the first node wins. Being fair, first they killed it on all but a few servers with transfers, then they did away with it after the transfers and added arenas, something only a loud minority of the pvp playerbase wanted in the first place. 8v8 Ranked never got a chance to see if it could get off the ground with a solo queue either, which is unfortunate because I really think its a FAR better format for solo queue than arenas are. 1 jackhole can't ruin the entire match like they can in 4v4 TDM But frankly, if a casual regstar like me can see the writing on the wall mere days after the announcement the man who came up with the idea probably shouldn't be allowed to make more decisions about pvp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NvrShoutNvr Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 another well though-out quote by Mdk'd can you pleas eleave this PoS game like everyone else and come play wow with me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raazmir Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 I did WoW dirty back in BC/Lich King, that cavern has nothing left to probe, but i might throw down on warlords, just because sword and board DPS may well be a thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizersan Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 I wish people would stop making these threads for things they know the answer to it's like cross server stuff the answer in reality is no so stop asking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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