Revan would probably win.

 

1. Force Lightning doesn't exactly play well with Vader's Suit.

2. Revan utilizes 2 sabers, while Vader has brute strength Revan has the speed advantage.

3. Revan took down the Star Forge defenses and then took down Bastila and Malek, I don't think Vader could have accomplished that.

4. Fact that Vader killed Younglings would probably annoy Revan, putting it mildly.

 

 

It would be a close match, but Revan probably has the advantage.

1. Yep.

2. Yep.

3. Yep.

4. Vader would get pwned in the teeth by Revan for that reason alone.

Remember who Revan really is. Kyle on a bad beard day.

Revan would probably win.

 

1. Force Lightning doesn't exactly play well with Vader's Suit.

2. Revan utilizes 2 sabers, while Vader has brute strength Revan has the speed advantage.

3. Revan took down the Star Forge defenses and then took down Bastila and Malek, I don't think Vader could have accomplished that.

4. Fact that Vader killed Younglings would probably annoy Revan, putting it mildly.

 

 

It would be a close match, but Revan probably has the advantage.

This is wrong on so many levels...

Revan would probably win.

 

1. Force Lightning doesn't exactly play well with Vader's Suit.

2. Revan utilizes 2 sabers, while Vader has brute strength Revan has the speed advantage.

3. Revan took down the Star Forge defenses and then took down Bastila and Malek, I don't think Vader could have accomplished that.

4. Fact that Vader killed Younglings would probably annoy Revan, putting it mildly.

 

 

It would be a close match, but Revan probably has the advantage.

I would suggest going and learning more about Vader, you have no idea what EU Vader was like, clearly.

Revan would probably win.

 

1. Force Lightning doesn't exactly play well with Vader's Suit.

2. Revan utilizes 2 sabers, while Vader has brute strength Revan has the speed advantage.

3. Revan took down the Star Forge defenses and then took down Bastila and Malek, I don't think Vader could have accomplished that.

4. Fact that Vader killed Younglings would probably annoy Revan, putting it mildly.

 

 

It would be a close match, but Revan probably has the advantage.

Err...no.

1. Vader tweaked his suit to resist force lighting, however he couldn't resist Palpatine's lighting because it was the strongest ever.

2. Doesn't really help much, since he fought Galen(clone) who used two sabers and even then he wasn't really trying fighting disinterested.

3. Hmm...Vader took down the jedi temple with just a legion of clones, he then later went on to take over several worlds and hunted down whatever jedi he could find after Order 66.

4. Again...yes he did, but he also killed all the jedi masters in the temple(save for Shaak Ti who ran away)

Revan would probably win.

 

1. Force Lightning doesn't exactly play well with Vader's Suit.

2. Revan utilizes 2 sabers, while Vader has brute strength Revan has the speed advantage.

3. Revan took down the Star Forge defenses and then took down Bastila and Malek, I don't think Vader could have accomplished that.

4. Fact that Vader killed Younglings would probably annoy Revan, putting it mildly.

 

 

It would be a close match, but Revan probably has the advantage.

The failure is strong in this one..

Err...no.

 

1. Vader tweaked his suit to resist force lighting, however he couldn't resist Palpatine's lighting because it was the strongest ever.

 

2. Doesn't really help much, since he fought Galen(clone) who used two sabers and even then he wasn't really trying fighting disinterested.

 

3. Hmm...Vader took down the jedi temple with just a legion of clones, he then later went on to take over several worlds and hunted down whatever jedi he could find after Order 66.

 

4. Again...yes he did, but he also killed all the jedi masters in the temple(save for Shaak Ti who ran away)

1. Insulation can get damaged, and too much insulation restricts movement.

2. Vader lost against the Galen (clone) you can argue that Vader wasn't trying all you want, fact is Vader LOST.

3. Vader had either superior numbers with him or was dealing with one on ones. Revan faced overwhelming odds without much in the way of backup.

4. You make it sound like he soloed everyone in the temple, he didn't, he was being supported by a clone army.

 

3. Vader had either superior numbers with him or was dealing with one on ones. Revan faced overwhelming odds without much in the way of backup.

 

4. You make it sound like he soloed everyone in the temple, he didn't, he was being supported by a clone army.

And had the Rep Army and Revanchists behind him. Vader killed Jedi during the time of The Golden Age. The prequel Jedi Order was the Jedi Order in its prime, and Vader slaughtered them.

1. Insulation can get damaged, and too much insulation restricts movement.

 

2. Vader lost against the Galen (clone) you can argue that Vader wasn't trying all you want, fact is Vader LOST.

 

3. Vader had either superior numbers with him or was dealing with one on ones. Revan faced overwhelming odds without much in the way of backup.

 

4. You make it sound like he soloed everyone in the temple, he didn't, he was being supported by a clone army.

1. I realize that, but he still had his suit resistant to lighting.

2. That doesn't mean he would lose to Revan, in fact even when he was fighting Galen disinterested he still had a hard time beating him.

3. He probably did on some planets, but he also faced 8 jedi alone on kessel when he was still getting used to his suit and he killed 5 of them. Before the 501st came and killed the rest.

4. I didn't say that, I was just merely saying that he killed more then younglings he also killed the jedi masters and the battlemaster of the whole order.

1. Insulation can get damaged, and too much insulation restricts movement.

 

2. Vader lost against the Galen (clone) you can argue that Vader wasn't trying all you want, fact is Vader LOST.

 

3. Vader had either superior numbers with him or was dealing with one on ones. Revan faced overwhelming odds without much in the way of backup.

 

4. You make it sound like he soloed everyone in the temple, he didn't, he was being supported by a clone army.

um you should go back and watch ep 3 again. When Obi-Won watched the Halo Recording they showed Anakin facing two Jedi at the same time. He didn't just kill the Jedi at the Temple he slaughtered them.

As for who is more powerful, Anakin or Raven that depends on what version of Star Wars you look at. I don't take the comic books, novels, and video games in to account. There interesting but I don't consider them cannon. Lucas never took the comic books, Novels, and video games in to account, he has stated that.

I'll prove my point. The Republic was well over a thousand years according to comic books, and video games, and novels. However in ep 2 there two critical lines that not only tells us how old the Republic was but when the last great war.

When Palaptine is talking to his aids and the other Jedi at the start of EP 2, he stats that he will not let the republic that has stood for a thousand year be split in two. This was a pretty exact age in his comment. He didn't say over he said stood for a thousand years.

Now one could argue that there were several versions of the Republic however it still the Republic. That would be like saying the Roman empire wasn't the Roman empire cause it went through great changes and was rebuilt, no it was still Roman Empire. Same is true here. Even if the Republic went through some great change it would still be the Republic.

Palaptine said hands down that Republic was a thousand years old. His statement was clear and to point.

The next critical line actually has two parts, one is when last great war but also when the Republic was formed.

One of the Queens aide states that there hasn't been a full scale war sense the formation of the republic. Now the last great war was a thousand years ago, no one can dispute that even Lucas has stated as much. So if the first part is true then it would have to mean that the Republic was formed around the same time.

All these lines in movie were Lucas way of telling us that while he allows the books and comics and video games to expand the Star Wars Universe they are not his vision of Star Wars. They are our vision of Star Wars. His vision of Star Wars exist only in what little he has told and in movies.

When you throw out the books, comics, and video game content the movies take on a whole new mean. That is just my thoughts on the subject.

You're kidding me with this, right? Revan would tear Vader and Palpatine to shreds without breaking a sweat. Jedi and Sith both drastically declined in strength after the Old Republic era. nobody in Republic Classic could hold a candle to an iconic character of the Old Republic

Yeah that's why the most powerful Jedi and Sith existed during the Rise of the Empire era right? then the NJO era? Right? yeh, cus that all makes sense.

In the future I'd suggest not taking Kreia's word as canon fact, her being a compulsive liar after all.

1. I realize that, but he still had his suit resistant to lighting.

 

2. That doesn't mean he would lose to Revan, in fact even when he was fighting Galen disinterested he still had a hard time beating him.

 

3. He probably did on some planets, but he also faced 8 jedi alone on kessel when he was still getting used to his suit and he killed 5 of them. Before the 501st came and killed the rest.

 

4. I didn't say that, I was just merely saying that he killed more then younglings he also killed the jedi masters and the battlemaster of the whole order.

1. No comment.

2. The original Galen literally tore through Vader's armor at the death star WHILE VADER WAS FIGHTING AT A MUCH STRONGER AND FASTER PACE THAN IN TFU 2.

3. Yet Revan took down so many more at the same time... you forget this? And considering the Exile is more powerful than Revan (as stated by Kreia and personal awareness), the Exile would tear Vader apart if Revan was stronger. (Which Revan is).

4. No comment.

Err...no.

 

1. Vader tweaked his suit to resist force lighting, however he couldn't resist Palpatine's lighting because it was the strongest ever.

 

2. Doesn't really help much, since he fought Galen(clone) who used two sabers and even then he wasn't really trying fighting disinterested.

 

3. Hmm...Vader took down the jedi temple with just a legion of clones, he then later went on to take over several worlds and hunted down whatever jedi he could find after Order 66.

 

4. Again...yes he did, but he also killed all the jedi masters in the temple(save for Shaak Ti who ran away)

1. "tweaked his suit to resist force lightning" my ***! he had four, countem, FOUR seconds of INDIRECT contact with Palpatine's lightning which, I must argue, is clearly NOT "the strongest ever". have you seen the lightning that inquisitors can throw out in TOR? And that four seconds shut down his cooling systems and life support.

2. That means nothing, it's just the way he fights. notice how it never changes even when he takes his beating from Luke, he still has a disinterested air about him.

3. Great, he had an entire legion, Revan had two buddies backing him up in a place designed to pump out and entire army (Rakata designed, no less) all the while having Bastila's Battle Meditation used against them.

4. That's all well and good, but I have two things to say. First, that was before he had his other hand cut off along with his legs and was put in a bionic body with a big mask and cape which probably restricts movement quite a bit. Second, if Vader could take all those guys in the temple out, so can Obi-Wan who, if I'm not mistaken, put Anakin in his place.

On top of all of that, Old Republic Jedi were stronger, Period. You've got the Mandalorian Wars, the Jedi Civil War AND the Jedi vs. Sith War that's going on in the game. they bred fighters back then because of all the wars they had to fight in. The Prequels had "peace keepers" who then fought a war against droids and the occasional Dark Force User. I'm sensing a supreme difference in strength and combat expertise.

Now, all that aside, look at Ben Kenobi. he's an old guy, right? not exactly in his prime? well neither is Vader, under all the burn scarring and mechanics, he's an old man who's not as fast as he used to be. now put him against a more experienced, younger opponent who still has all his limbs attached.

1. "tweaked his suit to resist force lightning" my ***! he had four, countem, FOUR seconds of INDIRECT contact with Palpatine's lightning which, I must argue, is clearly NOT "the strongest ever". have you seen the lightning that inquisitors can throw out in TOR? And that four seconds shut down his cooling systems and life support.

 

2. That means nothing, it's just the way he fights. notice how it never changes even when he takes his beating from Luke, he still has a disinterested air about him.

 

3. Great, he had an entire legion, Revan had two buddies backing him up in a place designed to pump out and entire army (Rakata designed, no less) all the while having Bastila's Battle Meditation used against them.

 

4. That's all well and good, but I have two things to say. First, that was before he had his other hand cut off along with his legs and was put in a bionic body with a big mask and cape which probably restricts movement quite a bit. Second, if Vader could take all those guys in the temple out, so can Obi-Wan who, if I'm not mistaken, put Anakin in his place.

 

On top of all of that, Old Republic Jedi were stronger, Period. You've got the Mandalorian Wars, the Jedi Civil War AND the Jedi vs. Sith War that's going on in the game. they bred fighters back then because of all the wars they had to fight in. The Prequels had "peace keepers" who then fought a war against droids and the occasional Dark Force User. I'm sensing a supreme difference in strength and combat expertise.

 

Now, all that aside, look at Ben Kenobi. he's an old guy, right? not exactly in his prime? well neither is Vader, under all the burn scarring and mechanics, he's an old man who's not as fast as he used to be. now put him against a more experienced, younger opponent who still has all his limbs attached.

1. Ya four seconds of force lighting from the most powerful sith lord ever, thats all that took to completely destroy his armor it wasn't really indirect either you could see it going through his body. When before he took Galen's lighting, which was powered by two electric poles using actual lighting to amplify his lighting and all that did was bring him down to one knee.

2. He wasn't disinterested when he fought his son, he was conflicted. He didn't want to kill Luke, when he fought Galen's clone he was fighting that way just because he wanted to by choice.

3. You forgot the Republic helping them out?

4. Except no, Obi-Wan wouldn't be able to because he isn't aggressive nor as powerful as Anakin. The only reason he pretty much floored all the masters in the temple, including the battlemaster because he was utilizing the form he mastered in a much more brutal fashion. He was pretty much bull rushing Obi-Wan throughout their entire fight, not letting up at all and Obi-Wan took a huge gamble with the hill top.

Err no the jedi of the PT are far superior to any jedi in the Old Republic, GL has stated that the jedi of the PT is their prime. Yoda was the most powerful until Luke, not to mention they had some very powerful jedi. They had Qui-Gon, Dooku(before he became sith), Cin Drallig, Obi-Wan, Anakin Skywalker, Mace Windu, Kit Fisto, etc all those jedi were some of the most powerful in the whole jedi order.

No old Ben wasn't his prime, however Vader in the suit was his prime.

Yeah that's why the most powerful Jedi and Sith existed during the Rise of the Empire era right? then the NJO era? Right? yeh, cus that all makes sense.

 

In the future I'd suggest not taking Kreia's word as canon fact, her being a compulsive liar after all.

Dunno what "word" of Kreia's you think I'm going on, cuz I'm sure as hell wasn't thinking about her when I wrote the comment. And this entire thread so far has been based around info from KoTOR and TFU, so there's really no use complaining about it now

1. Ya four seconds of force lighting from the most powerful sith lord ever, thats all that took to completely destroy his armor it wasn't really indirect either you could see it going through his body. When before he took Galen's lighting, which was powered by two electric poles using actual lighting to amplify his lighting and all that did was bring him down to one knee.

 

2. He wasn't disinterested when he fought his son, he was conflicted. He didn't want to kill Luke, when he fought Galen's clone he was fighting that way just because he wanted to by choice.

 

3. You forgot the Republic helping them out?

 

4. Except no, Obi-Wan wouldn't be able to because he isn't aggressive nor as powerful as Anakin. The only reason he pretty much floored all the masters in the temple, including the battlemaster because he was utilizing the form he mastered in a much more brutal fashion. He was pretty much bull rushing Obi-Wan throughout their entire fight, not letting up at all and Obi-Wan took a huge gamble with the hill top.

 

Err no the jedi of the PT are far superior to any jedi in the Old Republic, GL has stated that the jedi of the PT is their prime. Yoda was the most powerful until Luke, not to mention they had some very powerful jedi. They had Qui-Gon, Dooku(before he became sith), Cin Drallig, Obi-Wan, Anakin Skywalker, Mace Windu, Kit Fisto, etc all those jedi were some of the most powerful in the whole jedi order.

 

No old Ben wasn't his prime, however Vader in the suit was his prime.

1. Vader took 4 seconds from him, where as Luke took like four bursts of it and then a continuous stream, he was just fine afterwards. And if you insist on saying that a wrinkly grey prune was the "most powerful Sith Lord ever", then being thrown over a safety rail is a pretty pathetic way to be brought down. I still say that he wasn't, lightning was the only Dark Side trick we ever see him use. Show me grip. Show me Dark clones. Show me something different if he's so strong in the Dark Side... And Vader was still brought down over and over and over again, how doesn't really matter. The electric poles were just for in game flare, besides, you try moving at all to get to your knees with that much voltage in your body.

2. Doesn't change the fact that his fighting style stayed the same. No way he was disinterested in the person who brought him within an inch of his life twice. And we all know he was conflicted about fighting Luke, that doesn't change the fact that he's gonna defend himslef.

3. You forgot that they were losing? they didn't find a real opening to be of any assistance until AFTER Revan defeated Bastila and had her reverse the Battle Meditation.

4. Old Republic Jedi survived three consecutive wars and then beat back the Sith in the current war in the game. The ones in the Prequels didn't have that kind of experience and only had to fight a single war which consisted of mostly droids, Dooku and Ventress, and when it came down to it, none of them were prepared to fight a real Sith Warrior. You have those as your examples, I'm pretty sure they're all dead now, anyway, aside from Luke. We've got Bastila, Revan, the Exile, Satele, Jolee Bindo, Malak (before he fell with Revan) and who knows, we might even count Knight and Consular characters in TOR to add to that list.

1. Ya four seconds of force lighting from the most powerful sith lord ever, thats all that took to completely destroy his armor it wasn't really indirect either you could see it going through his body. When before he took Galen's lighting, which was powered by two electric poles using actual lighting to amplify his lighting and all that did was bring him down to one knee.

 

2. He wasn't disinterested when he fought his son, he was conflicted. He didn't want to kill Luke, when he fought Galen's clone he was fighting that way just because he wanted to by choice.

 

3. You forgot the Republic helping them out?

 

4. Except no, Obi-Wan wouldn't be able to because he isn't aggressive nor as powerful as Anakin. The only reason he pretty much floored all the masters in the temple, including the battlemaster because he was utilizing the form he mastered in a much more brutal fashion. He was pretty much bull rushing Obi-Wan throughout their entire fight, not letting up at all and Obi-Wan took a huge gamble with the hill top.

 

Err no the jedi of the PT are far superior to any jedi in the Old Republic, GL has stated that the jedi of the PT is their prime. Yoda was the most powerful until Luke, not to mention they had some very powerful jedi. They had Qui-Gon, Dooku(before he became sith), Cin Drallig, Obi-Wan, Anakin Skywalker, Mace Windu, Kit Fisto, etc all those jedi were some of the most powerful in the whole jedi order.

 

No old Ben wasn't his prime, however Vader in the suit was his prime.

4. You forget that Obi only ever fought defensively. who knows how good he is when he's being aggressive? And even if it was a gamble, which I wouldn't think so because he had a point about having the high ground, it worked and Anakin was just too stubborn not to jump like an idiot

Vader in the suit certainly was not in his prime, he was an old man with no arms or legs of his own a bulky suit with terrible visibility

1. Vader took 4 seconds from him, where as Luke took like four bursts of it and then a continuous stream, he was just fine afterwards. And if you insist on saying that a wrinkly grey prune was the "most powerful Sith Lord ever", then being thrown over a safety rail is a pretty pathetic way to be brought down. I still say that he wasn't, lightning was the only Dark Side trick we ever see him use. Show me grip. Show me Dark clones. Show me something different if he's so strong in the Dark Side... And Vader was still brought down over and over and over again, how doesn't really matter. The electric poles were just for in game flare, besides, you try moving at all to get to your knees with that much voltage in your body.

 

Watch the movie again, Watch the facial expressions..

Palpatne was laughing and mocking Luke when electrocuting him, He was screaming and shouting for his life when electrocuting Vader..

 

Big difference.

 

2. Doesn't change the fact that his fighting style stayed the same. No way he was disinterested in the person who brought him within an inch of his life twice. And we all know he was conflicted about fighting Luke, that doesn't change the fact that he's gonna defend himslef.

 

His conflict greatly diminished his strength.

 

3. You forgot that they were losing? they didn't find a real opening to be of any assistance until AFTER Revan defeated Bastila and had her reverse the Battle Meditation.

 

THe moment he stepped into her chambers her battle meditation ended, They fought.. she lost, He used her to defeat Malak.. Somebody he had defeated before.

 

4. Old Republic Jedi survived three consecutive wars and then beat back the Sith in the current war in the game. The ones in the Prequels didn't have that kind of experience and only had to fight a single war which consisted of mostly droids, Dooku and Ventress, and when it came down to it, none of them were prepared to fight a real Sith Warrior. You have those as your examples, I'm pretty sure they're all dead now, anyway, aside from Luke. We've got Bastila, Revan, the Exile, Satele, Jolee Bindo, Malak (before he fell with Revan) and who knows, we might even count Knight and Consular characters in TOR to add to that list.

GL's word is final.. He says the PT jedi are the golden age of the jedi and I'll take GL's word any day over Kreia's.

Opinion =/= Fact

GL's Opinion = Fact

Dunno what "word" of Kreia's you think I'm going on, cuz I'm sure as hell wasn't thinking about her when I wrote the comment. And this entire thread so far has been based around info from KoTOR and TFU, so there's really no use complaining about it now

I'd love to see where you get the 'facts' to back up this argument then.

When it comes right down to it, i'd have to say Revan. He simply has better mobility, and at his prime might even be stronger in the Force then Vader.

That said, if Anakin hadn't been defeated at Mustafar, and had gone on to reach HIS full potential, he probably would have won.

And for the record, NO. I don't care what Lucas has to say on the matter. He's not the only one to write for this universe.

When it comes right down to it, i'd have to say Revan. He simply has better mobility, and at his prime might even be stronger in the Force then Vader.

 

That said, if Anakin hadn't been defeated at Mustafar, and had gone on to reach HIS full potential, he probably would have won.

 

And for the record, NO. I don't care what Lucas has to say on the matter. He's not the only one to write for this universe.

It doesn't matter if you include Lucas's word or not, other writers and lore have pretty much stated Vader is pretty much better then Revan.

Revan is vastly overrated as far as Force Users go. And seeing as how Anakin had the potential to be 200% more powerful than Sidious but only achieved 80% of Sidious' power (which is freaking godly in the Star Wars universe), I'm going to have to give this to Vader.

Kreia's whole "Looking into the eye of the Force" thing is complete N-Canon, Revan wasn't that powerful, that was Kreia attempting to manipulate the Exile.

Revan is vastly overrated as far as Force Users go. And seeing as how Anakin had the potential to be 200% more powerful than Sidious but only achieved 80% of Sidious' power (which is freaking godly in the Star Wars universe), I'm going to have to give this to Vader.

 

Kreia's whole "Looking into the eye of the Force" thing is complete N-Canon, Revan wasn't that powerful, that was Kreia attempting to manipulate the Exile.

It's IMPOSSIBLE! He can't be THAT POWERFUL!!!! *hhhhuuuuuaaaaaggggggggghhhhhhhhhh*

+1 if you get the referrence.