Just wondering exactly how evasion works. It seems pretty clear that it can make blasters/rail guns miss, but does it have any effect on missiles/other lock-on weapons?

Also, once a lock on missile is fired at you, is it possible to out-turn it? Just curious because I know I have seen missiles I fire fly through objects to hit my target, so it seems you can't LOS them...

As far as I know, the only ways to break missile lock are by using your engine ability (e.g barrel roll), line of sighting or outrunning the targetting reticule of the attacker, or by an upgraded distortion field. It's fine the way it is

Evasion does seem to work against missiles, missile lock can be broken by turning. and you can out run missiles although most of them are pretty fast, I do know proton torpedos can be out run.

I believe that missile locks can be avoided through evasion. You can see it for yourself: just try and lock someone dead in the center of your locking arc, and sometimes the lock will fail without them using their engine ability.

 

My theory is that is evasion at work.

I believe that missile locks can be avoided through evasion. You can see it for yourself: just try and lock someone dead in the center of your locking arc, and sometimes the lock will fail without them using their engine ability.

 

My theory is that is evasion at work.

 

I believe losing a lock on a ship that is clearly within the targetting arc is due to lag - the ship isnt actually in the arc anymore but the server didn't bother to tell you yet.

 

Certainly when *i* was getting locked, and didnt actively try to shake it off, it never failed to lock, and that was while i was flying a scout with 41% evasion.

Edited December 10, 2013 by Sharee

evasion does not work against against lockons or missiles and you can outrun the lockon , but you cant outrun a missile after a successfull lockon (they fly even through obstacles) you need upgraded dissortion shield or a engine skill for this Edited December 10, 2013 by Luckyluzi

evasion does not work against against lockons or missiles and you can outrun the lockon , but you cant outrun a missile after a successfull lockon (they fly even through obstacles) you need upgraded dissortion shield or a engine skill for this

 

One of the master level upgrades lets evasion break lock, but until then it doesn't work.

Evasion does not affect missiles. Period.

 

Current ways to avoid missiles that have already been launched:

1) Engine ability.

2) Distortion field (shield) with max upgrades, choosing missile lock break rather than extended duration.

3) I believe you can outrun missiles, but this is only likely if they launch from long range and you use afterburners.

 

Missiles don't have limited turn rates, and they avoid all terrain/environment collision, so there isn't really any way to outmaneuver them beyond 1-3 above.

Edited December 10, 2013 by Lord_Of_Sith

One of the master level upgrades lets evasion break lock, but until then it doesn't work.

 

It doesn't break lock if you don't have it upgraded to that ability but ive had missiles miss, it may have just been a bug or luck but I still use it if ive got no other option.

Engine ability and evasion (with upgrade) only break missile lock. Not the actual missiles after they've been fired. Once fired, the only way I've been able to ditch them is by bursting away or barrel roll away long enough that they burn out before hitting.

 

And from personal experience keep track if you're on a scout with barrel roll or a different engine ability. After switching to retro i kept hitting it to throw me into the missile behind me. Not a very effective maneuver.

I believe losing a lock on a ship that is clearly within the targetting arc is due to lag - the ship isnt actually in the arc anymore but the server didn't bother to tell you yet.

 

Certainly when *i* was getting locked, and didnt actively try to shake it off, it never failed to lock, and that was while i was flying a scout with 41% evasion.

 

No, it certainly wasn't lag, it's very easy to recognize lag at work and this was not the case and is in fact very common.

 

I THINK the way it probably works is if you are not maneuvering then the evasion doesn't kick in somehow, but if you do maneuver around then there is a chance a lock is lost.

 

Either way, there IS a mechanism at work that is causing lock attempts to end prematurely that are not related to the engine or distortion abilities, and is not lag (that much is clear when dealing with a target not even close to max range or the edge of the missile arc). My guess is that mechanism must be evasion.

Engine ability and evasion (with upgrade) only break missile lock. Not the actual missiles after they've been fired. Once fired, the only way I've been able to ditch them is by bursting away or barrel roll away long enough that they burn out before hitting.

 

And from personal experience keep track if you're on a scout with barrel roll or a different engine ability. After switching to retro i kept hitting it to throw me into the missile behind me. Not a very effective maneuver.

 

Actually, if a missile is in flight and you use your engine ability, the missile loses the lock and you will NOT get hit. I have seen this happened countless time with all missile types.

 

The only reason you might get hit if you still use the ability, is if lag made it seem like you used the ability before the missile hit, but you were actually hit before that.

Engine ability and evasion (with upgrade) only break missile lock. Not the actual missiles after they've been fired. Once fired, the only way I've been able to ditch them is by bursting away or barrel roll away long enough that they burn out before hitting.

 

And from personal experience keep track if you're on a scout with barrel roll or a different engine ability. After switching to retro i kept hitting it to throw me into the missile behind me. Not a very effective maneuver.

 

LOL, I was thinking about trying retro thrusters but I never thought about what would happen if you use it when a missile is coming for you.

Actually, if a missile is in flight and you use your engine ability, the missile loses the lock and you will NOT get hit. I have seen this happened countless time with all missile types.

 

The only reason you might get hit if you still use the ability, is if lag made it seem like you used the ability before the missile hit, but you were actually hit before that.

 

They talked about it on the live stream, a target abruptly changing direction or just flat out speed can cause you to lose lock.

Howdy folks,

 

Thought I would pop in a clarify a couple of things. There are a couple of ways to break a lock-on sequence when no missile has been fired yet:

• Skilled piloting, such as maneuvering outside of the opponent's secondary firing arc, or trying to break line of sight by zooming around or inside of asteroids or other objects.
  
• Activating a defensive maneuver type engine ability (such as Koiogran Turn, Power Dive, Barrel Roll, Retro Thrusters or Snap Turn).
  

 

Once a missile is in-flight, the only way to avoid being hit is to activate a defensive maneuver type engine ability (the same list as above). This will 'evade' the missile. Visually, the missile will still complete its journey towards your ship, but it will not explode and no damage will be done to you.

 

As an added bonus, when your ship is actively executing a defensive maneuver, enemies cannot lock-on to you. On their end they will hear an error buzz when they attempt to right click to lock-on.

 

Hopefully this clarifies a few things!

Thanks for the clarification!

 

Does this mean that it's also not possible to outrun a missile short of using an evasion maneuver? So if I just put my finger on the boost and run straight, I can't get away, even if I get beyond the missiles range?

Howdy folks,

 

Thought I would pop in a clarify a couple of things. There are a couple of ways to break a lock-on sequence when no missile has been fired yet:

• Skilled piloting, such as maneuvering outside of the opponent's secondary firing arc, or trying to break line of sight by zooming around or inside of asteroids or other objects.
  
• Activating a defensive maneuver type engine ability (such as Koiogran Turn, Power Dive, Barrel Roll, Retro Thrusters or Snap Turn).
  

 

Once a missile is in-flight, the only way to avoid being hit is to activate a defensive maneuver type engine ability (the same list as above). This will 'evade' the missile. Visually, the missile will still complete its journey towards your ship, but it will not explode and no damage will be done to you.

 

As an added bonus, when your ship is actively executing a defensive maneuver, enemies cannot lock-on to you. On their end they will hear an error buzz when they attempt to right click to lock-on.

 

Hopefully this clarifies a few things!

 

In that case, why is it that sometimes I will be locking someone in plain sight, far from the edge of my missile arc and far from max range, and my lock will suddenly end, requiring me to right click again and resume locking?

 

Basically I start locking, hear the beeping, then the low noise indicating a lost lock (with no visible cause whatsoever), then have to relock? Note that the target is not using any lock breaking ability or distruption shields.

 

Could it truly be explained by lag alone?

In that case, why is it that sometimes I will be locking someone in plain sight, far from the edge of my missile arc and far from max range, and my lock will suddenly end, requiring me to right click again and resume locking?

 

Basically I start locking, hear the beeping, then the low noise indicating a lost lock (with no visible cause whatsoever), then have to relock? Note that the target is not using any lock breaking ability or distruption shields.

 

Could it truly be explained by lag alone?

 

Yeah this is happening a lot, I thought it was angle off attack or speed but if abilities and maneuvering outside the missile arc are the only things that can break lock then why am I losing lock several times in a row on someone in my missle arc?

Edited December 11, 2013 by Mallorik

Once a missile is in-flight, the only way to avoid being hit is to activate a defensive maneuver type engine ability (the same list as above). This will 'evade' the missile. Visually, the missile will still complete its journey towards your ship, but it will not explode and no damage will be done to you.

 

 

Even with cluster missiles?

 

 

And..."omg a yellow here??"

Kind of wish you could kinetically defeat missiles but given the games nature it'd probably end up rendering them mostly useless.

Can't you fly out of a missile's range?

 

Say someone shoots a 10,000m Torpedo at me from 9000m away. I fly 1500m further away. Wouldn't the torpedo now have to travel 10,500m and I would be out of range? Or is the range of a missile weapon only for lock on purposes?

 

I could have sworn that many enemies have outrun and outranged my torpedos after I fired them.

Howdy folks,

 

Thought I would pop in a clarify a couple of things. There are a couple of ways to break a lock-on sequence when no missile has been fired yet:

• Skilled piloting, such as maneuvering outside of the opponent's secondary firing arc, or trying to break line of sight by zooming around or inside of asteroids or other objects.
  
• Activating a defensive maneuver type engine ability (such as Koiogran Turn, Power Dive, Barrel Roll, Retro Thrusters or Snap Turn).
  

 

Once a missile is in-flight, the only way to avoid being hit is to activate a defensive maneuver type engine ability (the same list as above). This will 'evade' the missile. Visually, the missile will still complete its journey towards your ship, but it will not explode and no damage will be done to you.

 

As an added bonus, when your ship is actively executing a defensive maneuver, enemies cannot lock-on to you. On their end they will hear an error buzz when they attempt to right click to lock-on.

 

Hopefully this clarifies a few things!

 

Then you have a bug. Because I lose lock a LOT when the person in front of me has not maneuvered out of my inner ring and has not executed a engine ability.

 

I also miss fire a LOT. I get lock on and release my right click only to have no missile fire at all and have to start the whole process up again.

 

Once a missile is in-flight, the only way to avoid being hit is to activate a defensive maneuver type engine ability (the same list as above). This will 'evade' the missile. Visually, the missile will still complete its journey towards your ship, but it will not explode and no damage will be done to you.

Im sure its also possible to outrun a missile if range at launch is on the edge of its interception envelope. I've done it myself a couple of times.

Either that or there is a bug in the visual/audio indicator of an incoming missile.

Edited December 12, 2013 by AMightyKnight

Then you have a bug. Because I lose lock a LOT when the person in front of me has not maneuvered out of my inner ring and has not executed a engine ability.

 

I also miss fire a LOT. I get lock on and release my right click only to have no missile fire at all and have to start the whole process up again.

 

Lag. Target appears inside your firing arc on your screen when it actually left the firing arc for a split second on server side. Same with misfire. You had a lock, but the target left firing arc for a split second just before you released the missile.