Definitely look like feminine hands. Kinda leaning towards hoping it's Satele right now. Would make for some interesting character moments for Theron (plus I would never say no to more awesome Troy Baker acting skills).

Just not Theron or Lana? Please? I'm not sure I could handle it

Definitely look like feminine hands. Kinda leaning towards hoping it's Satele right now. Would make for some interesting character moments for Theron (plus I would never say no to more awesome Troy Baker acting skills).

 

Just not Theron or Lana? Please? I'm not sure I could handle it

Well, a lot of the sad stuff that BW has done only works for specific classes.

SCORPIO was an agent companion, Elara is a Trooper companion (interesting that she's the only one who pulls a Koth other than Koth) and you can pick between Vette and Torian meaning you never lose the one you like best.

Koth was a bit of an annoyance, but only because he stole that eyesore from the skyline... for a while anyway.

Theron and Lana have known us since Manaan at the latest and earlier if we're same faction. If they die that's either going to please or annoy pretty much every class. That's why I think something similar to Vette/Torian will happen. They're going to force us to save one and let the other die. And when that happens? Goodbye oh sweet child. Goodbye friend.

when i made my original comment, i deliberately left out the possibility it was satele since she was never apart of your alliance and shes not the type to assassinate from the shadows. if she were to fight you, you would see her coming.

the potential list comes down, a lot of the storyline characters have fallen by the side and it leaves only a handful of possibilities, Lana, Theron, Gault, Sana Rae, Hylo Visz, Aygo. All of them are potential suspects. if one of them were a sleeper agent working for the otherside the entire time even though they supported your efforts as they were programmed as such. Subconciously this spy would know what you were doing next and plan accordingly by activating the agent for a limited time to get around the problem or going further to ground.

best place to hide something is usually in plain sight.

So I am leading towards Lana.... which is horrible. It can't be, scorpio, Senya, Koth, Kaliyo, Aric, Vette, Acina or Torain, because all of them could be dead by that time....

 

Also it has to be a character that you absolutely must get, and not one that is optional. ie , Not Leyta, Bowdaar, Lokin... etc.

 

I am pretty sure that the figure was female, screen captures and SWotorhead gave some strong evidence of the feminine aspects.

 

So that leaves Sana-Rae, Hylo, or Lana....

 

Sana and Hylo are not really that close......

I totally disagree with you there about Sana and Hylo not being close. They may not be important to the storyline but they are trusted leaders in the alliance. Any one of the four alliance specialists makes the most sense. They're all characters apart of everyones alliance. They are have a vital role in the Alliance to the point where betrayal can harm the Alliance.

I personally believe one of the four will be the traitor. Sana-Rae for me is the most likely suspect. Voss do not seem to express their emotion that well but Sana could definitely be suffering on the inside over the destruction of Voss. Also she is a mystic. She could of had a vision that told her to do this. The Voss hold their visions in high regard. Sana could potentially be trying to fulfill her vision. Dr. Oggurobb would be next for me. He could be trying to regain power for the Hutts. Hutts lost a lot of power back on Makeb and Iokath can be their ticket to being relevant again. The alleged Scion everyone is talking about could easily just be someone working for Oggurobb. Hylo Visz is the 3rd logical choice for me. Iokath could be very profitable for Hylo. She could even be teaming with Gault planning to sell Iokath technology to the highest bidder. One can assume that since joining the Alliance Hylo has not been making major profits for herself leaving her unhappy. Only reason I put Bey'wan Aygo last is I just can't figure out logically why he would be behind it. It wouldn't shock me to find out he was behind it but I can't think of a single motive.

I totally disagree with you there about Sana and Hylo not being close. They may not be important to the storyline but they are trusted leaders in the alliance. Any one of the four alliance specialists makes the most sense. They're all characters apart of everyones alliance. They are have a vital role in the Alliance to the point where betrayal can harm the Alliance.

 

I personally believe one of the four will be the traitor. Sana-Rae for me is the most likely suspect. Voss do not seem to express their emotion that well but Sana could definitely be suffering on the inside over the destruction of Voss. Also she is a mystic. She could of had a vision that told her to do this. The Voss hold their visions in high regard. Sana could potentially be trying to fulfill her vision. Dr. Oggurobb would be next for me. He could be trying to regain power for the Hutts. Hutts lost a lot of power back on Makeb and Iokath can be their ticket to being relevant again. The alleged Scion everyone is talking about could easily just be someone working for Oggurobb. Hylo Visz is the 3rd logical choice for me. Iokath could be very profitable for Hylo. She could even be teaming with Gault planning to sell Iokath technology to the highest bidder. One can assume that since joining the Alliance Hylo has not been making major profits for herself leaving her unhappy. Only reason I put Bey'wan Aygo last is I just can't figure out logically why he would be behind it. It wouldn't shock me to find out he was behind it but I can't think of a single motive.

I hope your right, but I don't think you are, I think for the sake of impact, its going to be Lana, or a combination of Lana / Theron, based on how well they like you. Because if / when we find out one of our specialists betrayed us. I think most will think the betrayer needs to go the way of the Koth, Scorpio, Malavi...... and then who would we turn our daily crates into.....

Theron and Lana make no sense and would be terrible choices as the traitor.

Not to mention it will just have players upset that one of those two LIs could be it.

My guess...SCORPIO.

Theron and Lana make no sense and would be terrible choices as the traitor.

 

Not to mention it will just have players upset that one of those two LIs could be it.

 

My guess...SCORPIO.

no sense? i've been burned in the past by people who i thought were friends so i have the unique position of knowing that even that most loyal of friends can not be trusted, because you will never know that this friend has a hidden motivation. an example of a former friend i had when we were growing up together is that he hung around with the wrong crowd later in his teenage life, to me he was always jovial and bright eyed, knows how to make jokes and you can really talk to him, but he started hanging out more and more with the wrong crowd, i didn't know about this until the end of the friendship when i learned he took drugs, called me out all the time to his bad friends like it was some badge of honor to him and then he started going off the rails, even appeared in a local newspaper at one point.

it makes sense for lana or theron because you can never know what their other motivations are outside their professional setting and sometimes there are people out there who will use that professional setting to lead you into an elaborate trap for their own purposes.

the problem with trust is that it blinds you to all sorts of threats and someone who doesn't know of how hard things can get won't believe the truth even if it walked up and shook their hand as far as how overrated trust is.

another aspect is that your character gets thrown from one disaster to the next without time to process anything around them, thats a perfect place to breed that other motivation because you will never see it and you still know such little about those who follow you. it could easily be lana or theron or aygo or sana or anyone else important to the alliance. just because they come to you in common need doesn't mean their goals will align with yours.

As for scorpio, shes either dead or in iokath and technically no longer part of the game. besides this even if she is alive her concerns are so far removed from first world concerns of organic creatures and their motivations at this point that there is next to no logic in including her anyway. She never wanted to be a tool to be used and she has her freedom, what good would it serve her to get back into that game she wanted to leave?

That's true about trust, and gods know a lot of the player characters in swtor have trust issues, but it's a far cry for those two. Trying to kill you and wipe out any semblance of order in the galaxy is a hell of a long way from talking bad about someone behind their back.

I just don't see it making sense with Lana or Theron.

The traitor is none other than.... Kira Carsen! (or Jaesa)

Just a guess of course.

I hate to say it -- I don't want to say it ...

But I have been over and over it in my head ... Lana / Theron ... (Who said it had to be THEM in the video messing with the throne; could have been their boss ... )

Depending on our true original faction -- just a gut feeling, nothing concrete ... and it makes me want to cry,

So I will watch YouTube and wait ... ( Also seems to me, we can no longer get our original

class companions back unless we stay true to our original faction -- just a wild guess from what I have watched so far --

so yeah, Theron true to Republic, Lana true to Empire .. ) but I didn't say I liked it .....

That's true about trust, and gods know a lot of the player characters in swtor have trust issues, but it's a far cry for those two. Trying to kill you and wipe out any semblance of order in the galaxy is a hell of a long way from talking bad about someone behind their back.

 

I just don't see it making sense with Lana or Theron.

That logic only works with mindless player-centric comps. Lana & Theron have always had their own beliefs and differing practices to achieving their objectives. Your thinking your regime is a semblance of order does not equate to them thinking your regime is a semblance of order if it doesn't adhere to what they were looking for, or the only semblance of order in the galaxy for that matter. It could be that these gods have promised to wipe out the three constant warring factions and bring them a new age. If the pc is going against how they envision 'peace' for the galaxy then it makes perfect sense for them to be disgruntled and revolt. They've already lost hope in their former factions and the pc was their last hope. Badmouthing you behind your back is little more than trying to put out an inferno with a cup of water. Pointless if you're looking to make a stand.

If we're going to have this conversation, we should do so using our heads. This is a BioWare game. The traitor is definitely a character who could not be possibly killed leading up to the current storyline. The traitor is definitely not a class companion or an optional companion. It's not going to be SCORPIO, Arcann, or anyone like that.

I see a lot of people saying Satele, but how can she be a traitor? The last time I saw her, my guardian tried to kill her. My guardian then sided with the empire. If anything, my character is more of a traitor than she is and a Jedi Master punishing a dark jedi who is working with the sith against the republic is hardly "treason." I don't think it could logically be Satele given how the options for the new story have been framed.

I'm expecting some lame BioWare twist where your character is the traitor and you have been subconsciously working against yourself. Something to do with a dark influence left over from Valkorian or perhaps something picked up while on Iokath.

I'm expecting some lame BioWare twist where your character is the traitor and you have been subconsciously working against yourself. Something to do with a dark influence left over from Valkorian or perhaps something picked up while on Iokath.

That does sound like BioWare doesn't it ?

That does sound like BioWare doesn't it ?

It most certainly does. LOL

That logic only works with mindless player-centric comps. Lana & Theron have always had their own beliefs and differing practices to achieving their objectives. Your thinking your regime is a semblance of order does not equate to them thinking your regime is a semblance of order if it doesn't adhere to what they were looking for, or the only semblance of order in the galaxy for that matter. It could be that these gods have promised to wipe out the three constant warring factions and bring them a new age. If the pc is going against how they envision 'peace' for the galaxy then it makes perfect sense for them to be disgruntled and revolt. They've already lost hope in their former factions and the pc was their last hope. Badmouthing you behind your back is little more than trying to put out an inferno with a cup of water. Pointless if you're looking to make a stand.

And don't forget Lana was on Iokath before you arrived, on a mission....

If we're going to have this conversation, we should do so using our heads. This is a BioWare game. The traitor is definitely a character who could not be possibly killed leading up to the current storyline. The traitor is definitely not a class companion or an optional companion. It's not going to be SCORPIO, Arcann, or anyone like that.

 

I see a lot of people saying Satele, but how can she be a traitor? The last time I saw her, my guardian tried to kill her. My guardian then sided with the empire. If anything, my character is more of a traitor than she is and a Jedi Master punishing a dark jedi who is working with the sith against the republic is hardly "treason." I don't think it could logically be Satele given how the options for the new story have been framed.

 

I'm expecting some lame BioWare twist where your character is the traitor and you have been subconsciously working against yourself. Something to do with a dark influence left over from Valkorian or perhaps something picked up while on Iokath.

Valkorian won, and the real you is a the traitor attempting to get your identity back....

I just want to know why my pragmatic jedi couldn't tell Acina and Jace to put on their big girl pants and grow up.

The truth is the whole story is bollocks, the Outlander should have arrived and brought holos of the eternal fleet leveling tython and korriban to the ground, and let them know that coruscant and Kass City are next, unless they leave Iokath immediately....

then use the omni cannon to blow them out of the sky once they board their perspective fleets to leave..... just because they didn't heed your warnings about coming to Iokath in the first place....

of course that is only what my Dark Side guardian would have done....

It won't be Lana or Theron, it'd make zero sense after SoR/Ziost/KOTET/KOTFE. They've both made it clear that they're focused on the greater ideal of stabilizing the galaxy, which means bringing the Empire and Republic to heel or under a unified banner.

They also have BW Plot Armor.

It won't be Acina or Malcolm since one of them goes four paws up in the Iokath storyline. That removes motivation for the survivor to betray the Alliance, at least not on Iokath when they need your help for the same reasons that you (supposedly) need theirs: To not fight a war on 3 fronts and to combine resources to learn Iokath's secrets.

Satele is off with her BFF Marr doing Force things, so as much as I might like the idea of it being her, it won't be. Besides, if you opted for the LS choice when you took the Zakuul throne, she seemed rather pleased by that. For her to be the traitor would mean throwing those LS players under the same bus as the DS players.

The traitor is someone we haven't seen in a while, likely not in the entirety of the KOTET/KOTFE storyline. It could be the Scions but who is in charge since Heskal sucked the shiny end of Arcann's lightsaber? They basically disappeared after that.

No, it would need to be someone that the player crossed paths with in the past, and someone with enough anger/rage to impress a giant robot. Therefore, my bet is on Malgus.

It won't be Lana or Theron, it'd make zero sense after SoR/Ziost/KOTET/KOTFE. They've both made it clear that they're focused on the greater ideal of stabilizing the galaxy, which means bringing the Empire and Republic to heel or under a unified banner.

 

They also have BW Plot Armor.

 

It won't be Acina or Malcolm since one of them goes four paws up in the Iokath storyline. That removes motivation for the survivor to betray the Alliance, at least not on Iokath when they need your help for the same reasons that you (supposedly) need theirs: To not fight a war on 3 fronts and to combine resources to learn Iokath's secrets.

 

Satele is off with her BFF Marr doing Force things, so as much as I might like the idea of it being her, it won't be. Besides, if you opted for the LS choice when you took the Zakuul throne, she seemed rather pleased by that. For her to be the traitor would mean throwing those LS players under the same bus as the DS players.

 

The traitor is someone we haven't seen in a while, likely not in the entirety of the KOTET/KOTFE storyline. It could be the Scions but who is in charge since Heskal sucked the shiny end of Arcann's lightsaber? They basically disappeared after that.

 

No, it would need to be someone that the player crossed paths with in the past, and someone with enough anger/rage to impress a giant robot. Therefore, my bet is on Malgus.

Yes but Malgus isn't a "traitor" he is a has been 2 or 3 expansion ago "enemy" not the same impact when you have already whipped him and sent him running with his tail between his legs.

I'm expecting some lame BioWare twist where your character is the traitor and you have been subconsciously working against yourself. Something to do with a dark influence left over from Valkorian or perhaps something picked up while on Iokath.

If that were the case, it would have an extreme layer of lazy on top because you can see the traitor's hands which are a human (or Zabrak I guess) skin color and the figure looks female. It's unambiguously NOT male type 3 or 4. So your male body type 4 Chiss's spirit or whatever looks like a BT2 human female? Wut. I don't think BioWare would do something like that. It makes no sense and It wouldn't be any harder to make a copy of your character than it would be to make a new human/Zabrak female character.

no sense? i've been burned in the past by people who i thought were friends so i have the unique position of knowing that even that most loyal of friends can not be trusted, because you will never know that this friend has a hidden motivation. an example of a former friend i had when we were growing up together is that he hung around with the wrong crowd later in his teenage life, to me he was always jovial and bright eyed, knows how to make jokes and you can really talk to him, but he started hanging out more and more with the wrong crowd, i didn't know about this until the end of the friendship when i learned he took drugs, called me out all the time to his bad friends like it was some badge of honor to him and then he started going off the rails, even appeared in a local newspaper at one point.

 

it makes sense for lana or theron because you can never know what their other motivations are outside their professional setting and sometimes there are people out there who will use that professional setting to lead you into an elaborate trap for their own purposes.

 

the problem with trust is that it blinds you to all sorts of threats and someone who doesn't know of how hard things can get won't believe the truth even if it walked up and shook their hand as far as how overrated trust is.

 

another aspect is that your character gets thrown from one disaster to the next without time to process anything around them, thats a perfect place to breed that other motivation because you will never see it and you still know such little about those who follow you. it could easily be lana or theron or aygo or sana or anyone else important to the alliance. just because they come to you in common need doesn't mean their goals will align with yours.

 

As for scorpio, shes either dead or in iokath and technically no longer part of the game. besides this even if she is alive her concerns are so far removed from first world concerns of organic creatures and their motivations at this point that there is next to no logic in including her anyway. She never wanted to be a tool to be used and she has her freedom, what good would it serve her to get back into that game she wanted to leave?

They still don't make sense to me. In fact, I don't expect it to be any character that can still be your LI.

The traitor has to be someone who is against you whether you're light side or dark side. That means it makes no sense for it to be Lana or Theron.

I guess they could make it so the traitor is one of two people, but then wouldn't we see different things depending on our choices?

So, the traitor has to be one person and it has to be someone who'd be against us, no matter the side of the force we're on.

Now my reason for picking SCORPIO is because she could still be alive (she is a computer program) so destroying her body, doesn't mean she's gone. She could also have more to her agenda.

Now it could totally be someone else. Would only make sense if it was someone we had already seen, but again it would have to be someone who would be against all the characters.

I stop to think about BW's current motives, they have now made it possible, for a player to have access to a huge stable of followers, but in the future they have to take it somewhere, and tailoring everyones experience seems to be be a big thing, I think they are purposefully whittling down half of our potential followers, while allowing us to maintain the ones we really (miss\care) about, I really do think that each character will have a different potential traitor, but I also think the options are Lana, or Theron....

I also really don't believe that either have plot armor, in fact, I think the traitor might end up unseating us from the throne, and become our new nemesis....

otherwise, where exactly will BW take us from here, most sith want to rule the galaxy, oh wait we already do that..

They still don't make sense to me. In fact, I don't expect it to be any character that can still be your LI.

 

The traitor has to be someone who is against you whether you're light side or dark side. That means it makes no sense for it to be Lana or Theron.

 

I guess they could make it so the traitor is one of two people, but then wouldn't we see different things depending on our choices?

 

So, the traitor has to be one person and it has to be someone who'd be against us, no matter the side of the force we're on.

 

Now my reason for picking SCORPIO is because she could still be alive (she is a computer program) so destroying her body, doesn't mean she's gone. She could also have more to her agenda.

 

Now it could totally be someone else. Would only make sense if it was someone we had already seen, but again it would have to be someone who would be against all the characters.

Koth already set the precedent for LI betraying the protag and breaking romances if they're unhappy. LI are not above reproach. Also it can't be Scorpio. Tyth specifically stated that this traitor is someone in the inner circle who has hope eroding. Scorpio was already a traitor when she threw her lot in with Vaylin and then went solo. She was no longer in the alliance, thus she couldn't be in the inner circle, thus she can't be the traitor (again). Aside from that, Scorpio never had any hope in the alliance anyway. The Alliance along with the Eternal Empire were simply tools to propel her back to Iokath.

The traitor can't be anyone who can be killed, avoided or refused entry, which is pretty much near every comp with the exception of Yuun and Gault. Yuun is way too short to have been the cloaked figure so counting Gault the only people in the inner circle who could fit the cloaked humanoid traitors profile is Theron, Lana, Hylo or Sanae.