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Luke.

 

Luke had the most potential (same as Anakin), 2nd strongest connection to the force (grandchild of the force), he learned the most about the Lightside and he was the most powerful ability wise (managing to achieve oneness with the force whilst still alive).

 

Sidious was the most powerful in the Darkside only (connection, techniques, knowledge and usable powers, strength of powers).

 

Anakin had the strongest connection to the force (being it's child) and had the same potential to become Lukes equal (if not slightly more powerful), but he never got there.

 

Jacen Solo is a close second to Luke in the Lightside being the only other person to become one with the force whilst still alive.

 

This.

 

Also, didn't Revan become one with the force, albeit for a brief moment in 'Revan'?

 

And by extension, Darth Malgus, although that was only his claim.

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Luke.

 

Luke had the most potential (same as Anakin), 2nd strongest connection to the force (grandchild of the force), he learned the most about the Lightside and he was the most powerful ability wise (managing to achieve oneness with the force whilst still alive).

 

Sidious was the most powerful in the Darkside only (connection, techniques, knowledge and usable powers, strength of powers).

 

Anakin had the strongest connection to the force (being it's child) and had the same potential to become Lukes equal (if not slightly more powerful), but he never got there.

 

Jacen Solo is a close second to Luke in the Lightside being the only other person to become one with the force whilst still alive.

 

EU Luke is the most powerful Jedi to ever live.

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People will probably disagree wigth me, but I say it was Revan.

 

Revan got beat down like a little girl by Vitiate, Scourge, and the TOR Heroes, how could he possible be the strongest when people clearly stronger than him?

 

Luke has only ever really been beaten by Sidious, but that was before he became "Godmode" Luke.

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Revan got beat down like a little girl by Vitiate, Scourge, and the TOR Heroes, how could he possible be the strongest when people clearly stronger than him?

 

Luke has only ever really been beaten by Sidious, but that was before he became "Godmode" Luke.

 

To be fair, Scourge stabbed him in the back and allowed Vitiate to sucker punch him (After LITERALLY stabbing the jedi exile in the back) and the TOR heroes beat his *** after he's spent 300 years as the emperor's chew toy.

 

He's the easiest boss of that entire FP, hands down.

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Well for one, the movies were made before this game....and two ya hes immortal, but that doesn't mean he can't die.

 

And it doesn't make him the most powerful.

 

 

Just like Olympic Gods, being Immortal doesn't make you the most powerful.

 

 

Mace, Exar Kun, Sidious, Vader would wipe the floor with him.

 

 

Luke is the strongest, thats canon. Siidoius is the strongest Sith ever.

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Yoda said so.

 

That, and post RotJ EU makes a big deal of that fact that Luke didn't know anywhere close to everything that a Jedi of the Old Republic should. There were a lot of things Obi-Wan and Yoda simply didn't teach him, because they didn't have time. He figured out a lot as he went a long, from the few sources Palpatine hadn't eradicated, but by the metric of the old Jedi, he probably wouldn't have even qualified for his Trials.

 

Which was entirely the point. Vader and the Emperor represented a new kind of Sith, and the Jedi had all been retraining to fight the OLD Sith. The new Sith needed a new Jedi. That was Luke.

 

But again, all this is academic. Star Wars is not DragonBall Z, there are no power levels, no chain of awesome that determines easily who can beat who. Trying to think of it in those terms is to rob yourself of a great deal of the depth of the Star Wars experience.

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Yoda said so.

 

That, and post RotJ EU makes a big deal of that fact that Luke didn't know anywhere close to everything that a Jedi of the Old Republic should. There were a lot of things Obi-Wan and Yoda simply didn't teach him, because they didn't have time. He figured out a lot as he went a long, from the few sources Palpatine hadn't eradicated, but by the metric of the old Jedi, he probably wouldn't have even qualified for his Trials.

 

Which was entirely the point. Vader and the Emperor represented a new kind of Sith, and the Jedi had all been retraining to fight the OLD Sith. The new Sith needed a new Jedi. That was Luke.

 

But again, all this is academic. Star Wars is not DragonBall Z, there are no power levels, no chain of awesome that determines easily who can beat who. Trying to think of it in those terms is to rob yourself of a great deal of the depth of the Star Wars experience.

 

When did Yoda say that Luke's training was incomplete? All I heard him say was.

 

Yoda: "No more training do you require, already know you that which you need."

 

Luke: "Then I am a jedi"

 

Yoda: Oh..(chuckles cough) not yet...one thing remains. Vader...you must confront Vader, then only then a jedi will you be."

 

All Yoda talked about was Luke confronting Vader, thats NOT training at all thats just him confronting his father.

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I think Yoda and Obi-Wan took an old approach to training Luke. The basics hardly change in reaching the Force and learning how to manipulate it. In KOTOR and TOR we are seeing a lot of denial about the nature of the Force. Example is that only one side is acceptable to use, the other exists but NEVER cross over to it, does not matter if you are Sith or Jedi, applies to both.

 

Revan was not retrained so much as re-educated and slowly regaining his identity in his conflict with Malak and the Star Forge. The major benefit no one expected was that his second life did not lead to a fall but a balance the Jedi did not seem comfortable with. The Exile also was unacceptable as the way she used the Force was considered "dark."

 

The Jedi of TOR are the basis of later generations of Jedi but they are NOT the original way the Jedi came to be. Before the Schism, the Jedi learned of the Force and experimented with it. They learned that anger and hatred had drastic results in both the Force and its users and attempted to keep students from relying on it. We of course know that did not go as planned as there are always those impatient or wish to rely on something easy to grasp like anger.

 

Yoda and Obi-Wan were in a real sense renegades of the Jedi order in that they accepted combat and a more gray look at life than others. They did not oppose the rules overall but in many situations they acted with their own code and bravery over what the Order would recommend.

 

I have no doubt the years after the Galactic Empire birthed both Jedi looked long and hard at where they failed to see Vader and the Emperor. Rather than solely blame Anakin and the Sith for their woes I think they saw the flaws in the modern Jedi. With Luke they were guides, not absolutes. They warned of the dark side but did not discourage his learning of it through mistakes.

 

Risky perhaps but the results speak for themselves. A balanced Jedi (or Sith) will be more powerful than either Pure LS/DS version. Luke is a new breed of Jedi but the battle for balance is not easy, never will be. And so it goes on....

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Well for the whole of the movies, Sidious is the greatest force user currently active, Yoda probably being the most powerful Jedi force user in the movies.

 

But after episode 6, Luke transcends to that point, because he had the same potential that Anakin never reached.

 

So, if your asking about power from the whole perspective, it would be Luke>Sidious>Yoda.

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