Reeny Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 During this SWTOR, the Sith are so powerful. How did the Sith get defeated until Epi 1 where they only had 2 Sith left? Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lithy Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 During this SWTOR, the Sith are so powerful. How did the Sith get defeated until Epi 1 where they only had 2 Sith left? Thanks! The Darth Bane books explain the entirety of the rule of 2 and how it came to be. I haven't read them yet, but they are supposed to be pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimpha Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 I don't really wanna do any spoilers, so I'll just say do a star wars wiki search for Darth Bane. He had some to do with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigredo Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 During this SWTOR, the Sith are so powerful. How did the Sith get defeated until Epi 1 where they only had 2 Sith left? Thanks! Have you played Sith? Noticed the infighting and power plays behind the scenes? easy enough to see how over the next couple of hundred years the empire implodes and fractures leaving power vacuum for the republic to fill with ease. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lost_empathy Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 simple really, Q: how much does it take to kill the sith A: THE ENTIRE REPUBLIC Q: how much does it take to destroy the republic, jedi and all possible power in the galaxy A: ONE ELDERLY SITH (Darth Sidious) be honest, if one can do the job why would you need any more then 2 lol SITH FTW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Zorth_ Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 During this SWTOR, the Sith are so powerful. How did the Sith get defeated until Epi 1 where they only had 2 Sith left? Thanks! The game is supposed to explain that.. We can't know yet, Wait a few years for teh expansion and then ask us again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelsion Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 I have not read the Bane series of books, but I think the above poster is right. The Empire will collapse under its own weight. You can compare it to the former Soviet Union. The US did not actually defeat the USSR. They collapsed from within due to a number of factors. With the Sith Empire, I believe that they spread their forces too thin trying to take to many objectives. They also have too much infighting and power struggles. Their leaders only have half their attention focused on the enemy. The other half is focused on which underling is scheming to overthrow them. I think that they Sith Inquisitor storyline is the perfect example. I will not give any spoilers here for those that have not played the SI story yet. The bottom line is that the Old Republic will defeat the Sith Empire not because of military strength but more because, despite the enormous bureaucracy, the republic is more cohesive and stable than the Empire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ichijin Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 (edited) simple really, Q: how much does it take to kill the sith A: THE ENTIRE REPUBLIC Q: how much does it take to destroy the republic, jedi and all possible power in the galaxy A: ONE ELDERLY SITH (Darth Sidious) be honest, if one can do the job why would you need any more then 2 lol SITH FTW Only took 2 jedi to bring down the empire, the smallest team always wins... oh and it wouldnt be the first time infighting would destroy the sith. Edited February 19, 2012 by Ichijin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Sheridan Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 Sith are stupid. Simple as that really. How to make the Empire last forever: Step One: Remove the Sith Step Two: Put the Imperials in charge Step Three: Change 'Empire' to: Galactic Republic Step Four: Preach peace and galactic unity The creation of Empires does not need magical people that hurl lightning to work and the Sith / Jedi often screw things up for both sides with their eternal religious warfare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticoccus Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 The point is that for all the infightning and backstabbing there is in the empire, they still manage to be more organized than the republic, with all the backroom politics and backstabbing going on in its power structure. They are both pretty bad at politics, really, the republic just has the jedi to enforce SOME semblance of order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icebergy Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 Read The Darth Bane Trilogy, it explains all that. It is also a very good read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalkingDinosaur Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 During this SWTOR, the Sith are so powerful. How did the Sith get defeated until Epi 1 where they only had 2 Sith left? Thanks! If you play the Sith Warrior storyline you will probably notice you kill more Sith than Jedi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticoccus Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 If you play the Sith Warrior storyline you will probably notice you kill more Sith than Jedi. Also, capturing that first storyline jedi for torture by your master is a light side option, whereas giving her a quick death like she wants is a dark side option? Yeah, that's fair, especially since you know what he'll probably do to her =p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord-durpp Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 just saying, this empire died off at least 1,000 years before darth bane... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dire-Wolf Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 Here's a better question: How does the Republic get defeated in the Old Republic? We know the Republic loses, else it wouldn't be known as the Old Republic. Old Republic implies that the Republic was destroyed and a new one, the one we see in episodes 1 - 3, took its place. Before you argue that it's just called the Old Republic because it happened 3000 years before the films and so is pretty old keep in mind that the Republic in the Old Republic has been around for 20,000 years but they don't refer to the Republic that existed thousands of years before them as the Old Republic. The fact that there's a distinction between the Old Republic and the new Republic we see in the films implies that something happened to interupt the life cycle of the original Republic, it didn't just carry on straight up to the films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ausstig Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 (edited) It's not entirely impossible, though unlikely, that the Empire may conquer the Republic and then become 'Normanised'. For those who do not understand, after the Normans' conquered england they intermarried with the locals and were assimilated into the Anglo-Saxon culture. So it is possible the Empire wins the war an loses the peace, so to speak. Basically Sith win, then through both their own infighting and jedi actions, are destroyed, Imperial citizens, join the Republic and a generation or two later they are fully assimilated into the Republic. Thus explaining why the Empire has a Corusant accent, and that their raceism, which according to the OFFICIAL Atlas, was part of Core culture for millennium. Edited February 21, 2012 by Ausstig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twaggy Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 Read the Darth Bane series, infact you only need to read the first book (which is AWESOME) and it explains how it all happened. By the way, the first book actually is also a prequel to the Dark Forces Trilogy with Kyle Katarn... so read those too! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayla_Felana Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 (edited) Sith are stupid. Simple as that really. Tell that to Darth Sidious, he played the Republic, the CIS and the Jedi Order all at the sametime and made a mockery of them all and then built the most efficient Galactic civilization ever. Edited February 20, 2012 by Rayla_Felana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tovenar Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 All the foreshadowing is there. The Sith are defeated, but the empire becomes the republic we know. Laser colors! Its all about the laser colors! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZettaZonvolt Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 Galactic Republic (the one that appears after TOR). http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Galactic_Republic Our Sith Empire. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sith_Empire_(Post%E2%80%93Great_Hyperspace_War) Compare the symbols. Now look at the symbol for the current Republic in TOR. http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110601202149/starwars/images/thumb/b/bc/StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg/418px-StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg.png It doesn't take a genius to see that the Sith Empire is probably not gonna be beaten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZettaZonvolt Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 Galactic Republic (the one that appears after TOR). http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Galactic_Republic Our Sith Empire. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sith_Empire_(Post%E2%80%93Great_Hyperspace_War) Compare the symbols. Now look at the symbol for the current Republic in TOR. http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110601202149/starwars/images/thumb/b/bc/StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg/418px-StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg.png It doesn't take a genius to see that the Sith Empire is probably not gonna be beaten. Also, in 22 BBY, Palpatine said: "I will not let this Republic that has stood for a thousand years be split in two." TOR happens at around 3600 BBY. The Republic in the movies is not the same as the one in TOR. There is no guarentee the Sith Empire get beaten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatoFel Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 Also, in 22 BBY, Palpatine said: "I will not let this Republic that has stood for a thousand years be split in two." TOR happens at around 3600 BBY. The Republic in the movies is not the same as the one in TOR. There is no guarentee the Sith Empire get beaten. Interesting theory. Problematic in ways, but the idea that parts of the Sith Empire eventiually merge with the Republic without being beaten outright seems plausible. Anyhow, the "thousand years" reference is generally taken to mean the Republic since the Ruusan Reformation, which involved a transferral of power from the Chancellor to the Senate. I suppose if the Imperials DID come to dominate the Republic after the Cold War, they might have restructured things to make the Chancellor a sort of Emperor. So it could fit with your theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadtoArkham Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 (edited) After a unknown interim period, Lord Kaan forms the Brotherhood of Darkness, a Sith Order. They have Korriban and eschew the title of 'Darth". They were at war with the Republic... Then a man named Darth Bane comes along... Edited February 20, 2012 by RoadtoArkham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commanche Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 (edited) Tell that to Darth Sidious, he played the Republic, the CIS and the Jedi Order all at the sametime and made a mockery of them all and then built the most efficient Galactic civilization ever. That's the same Darth Sidious who then went on to create the resistance as a failed ploy to get rid of any opposed to his rule in a single play and decided to turn his back on Vader as he tortured his son, right? This efficient civilisation was the one that was involved in killing and enslaving untold numbers of people. He got lucky because the Jedi were arrogant. Yoda and Obi-Wan learnt humility when they realised how successfully they were outplayed by Sidious. The Sith are a self-centered organisation and splinter into different factions at regular intervals (at the first sign of the emperor's madness the council revolts, gets wiped out and reformed, after a pretty successful war peace is made at which point they resort to infighting which never entirely ceases when the war restarts, the emperor gets "killed" [not sure how permanent that is yet!] and someone else declares himself the ruler of a breakaway faction). The real question is whether the war ends in the apparent destruction of the Sith or if the empire splits into two factions (SW&BH vs SI&IA) in an upcoming patch and we get a 3 way war with all sides having an equal number of players! Edited February 20, 2012 by Commanche Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkerus Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 (edited) Its kind of obvious. After many years of fighting the Galatic Republic absorbs the Imperial Empire into their ranks. The Sith are marginalized and either removed from the empire or they just disappear into obscurity for a while (rule of two, etc). That's why by the time of the modern prequels, the Republic has all of the sith/empire technology, shipyards, tie fighters, etc. Then they become the Galactic Empire (infiltrated by the Sith, explained by the prequels, as bad as they are) and the rebel worlds break off and form the rebellion. Edited February 20, 2012 by Arkerus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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