Skrim is thataway. This is an MMO. You might want to look up what that means.

 

I don't entirely agree with the person you quoted, but MMO did not mean "I have to talk to you in game" the last time I checked.

 

It merely means Massive Multi-players Online. That only means there are bunch of people online at a time. Interaction with those people is not required.

 

So your entire post was both pointless and idiotic. I did enjoy pointing that out though, so thanks for that.

I realize I am coming in late to the game here as far as this conversation is concerned but I would like to echo the sentiments that many are experiancing here.

 

I play a trooper I was in Early Acces and am currently level 43 I play 100% healing spec'd. I have found even if I backtrack to plantes with Heroic 4 quest that I know significantly outlevel I cannot get a group. This is even with me saying I am 43 and a healer. I think the mentality is why do it? Its a daily.

 

Now my thinking is I am a completionist I will most likely have these quest until I can do them at least once. The rewards are good the XP is great I just really do not know why people do not want to do them.

 

Not sure how to fix them I really do enjoy them I wish grouping in generaly was easier. I do not beliebe LFG grouping is the answer. Possibly if it auto zoned you to the Heroic 4 seeing as how most are instances perhaps. I think the big real issue is that sometimes the quest are DEEP in the zone. So as an example Quest X is at the end of the zone player Y just arrived on the planet. There is no quick way for player Y to get to quest X. Not to mention very few groups who wait. So even if you do get a patient group they have to wait will player Y traverses the whole zone to try to get quest X done.

 

Rift which I will admit to loving would autozone you into instances when just one person went in. Which is brillant some will say its just lazy but no in a world as large and vast with Heroics sometimes very deep at the end of the zone this could solve the issue and make people more willing to take on these quest.

 

Also change some of them so that they are NOT dailies. Make them an integrible part of the planet story as well as adding the quick zone feature. What I THINK this will do is give more incetive to do them while also getting people into them rapidly. That is just my thoughts. I believe the reqrds are in line with a few exceptions. The time invested for some is not monumental mind you but being rewarded with 3x commendation sometimes but not always feels liek a let down. I think at best it should be a choice 3x commendation a blue and a blue random box. At most awesome difficult long end of zone Heroic 4 it should be 3x commendation stabndard blue box (max level for that zone) or a customer gear piece.

 

That is just my 2c.

It's mostly a problem in areas where you're above the leveling curve. My highest toon is 40 right now and while there are other people in that level range and beyond it, the number certainly is small. I just started Hoth yesterday and there were only 13 people there at the time. I've actually been starting a lot of alts to give the community a chance to catch up so I have more people to do the group quests with as I don't like to leave them behind. I never did find a group for the last one on Alderaan, went back and solo'd it at 40 though.

Ironic considering this game is so friendly to the casual, solo players that I am sure they out number the 'core' MMO players by a huge margin.

 

So they need every quest for them they got 90% already....

Yeah doing +4s with two people with a companion each works out just fine.

 

 

I am also another one who does these things with one other person and two companions and so far haven't had any real trouble. I guess it helps that my usual partner is a real life friend who I am talking to on the phone or is in the same room with me. I guess if you're with a group of strangers and you don't have vent it might be difficult and frustrating to get an efficient group together, but so far we've been handling +4s ok with just 2 and companions.

 

But I do usually do them when I'm a level or two over them. I don't know. I haven't tried using /1 to look for groups yet, but I have noticed that it seems pointless. I always see the same people asking over and over and over and never seeming to get anywhere.

Why? Grouping is such a freaking pain. I'm constantly at the mercy of their AFK's, and slowness or wanting to speed through or whatever. It's annoying to be frank.

 

I had the same problem on the first server I joined. Apparently pvp servers attract the 'wrong' crowd for me. After getting annoyed at non-english spam in General, rude ppl in chat and impatient brats in flashpoint groups, I rerolled on an RP server. Now I feel totally at home and have no trouble finding groups and doing all the content I desire.

 

I want to enjoy the game and I don't mind waiting 15 minutes for someone to arrive at the flashpoint. It only adds to the RP feeling

The reason you are having such a hard time finding group for heroic quests is simple - you were in Early Access and now you are too far ahead of the majority of the leveling crowd.

 

Do a /who on your level range, then a /who on Coruscant, Taris or Nar Shaddaa. The numbers themselves should tell a clear story.

 

I started on the 21st.

I can't find people for 30's flashpoints for the life of me -.-

 

I am a tank playing with a healer friend, even spamming alderaan and republic fleet for a dps for Caldemami(wtfeverits called.) we got no hits after half an hour.

 

Hell general chat was silent on both.

 

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Its pretty bad right now and its only going to get worse later on. There's a reason most MMOs got rid of outdoor group areas in leveling content, it just doesn't work after launch. During launch, you have a huge number of players rolling through the zones, which makes it easy (relatively speaking) to find a group. When this initial surge dies down, these Heroic areas will go virtually unused (just like in every other MMO). At the end of the day, left unchanged, these areas are basically a big waste of resources.

 

I think many players have never experienced this because they only play MMOs during launch can't equate that experience with what the MMO is going to look like in the long term. Two months from now, the Heroic areas on these planets are going to be sitting unused unless Bioware alters them in some fashion.

 

In fact, I've got to wonder why the decision was made to put these outdoor areas into the game as they are. Most of them aren't instanced, so I don't think they'll be able to dynamically scale the difficulty depending on group numbers.

LOL! OK, so then how would healers and tanks find groups then?

 

Not needing is something else than not wanting. If you look for 4 ppl for a group, why not take a tank and healer if they offer to join?

Agree complaints from level 40s people are a little sad.

 

"I've been playing this game 14 hours a day for 2 weeks, and there's no one to do quests with..."

 

You're obviously obsessed with the game, so pick a new class and leave your level 43 character for a few weeks. Normal people do not have your free time.

 

I've done most of the heroic quests on every planet, basically just required some down time hanging out in the game chat room and standing around. When I realized nobody was on my level anyway because I was an early-access nerd playing the game nonstop throughout Friday and Saturday nights, I started a new character. Problem solved.

I will just say, personally, I am avoiding most Heroics and Flashpoints on my first character because I want to experience the storylines for most of the normal and class quests while they are mostly level-appropriate.

 

My second character will be the opposite, where I concentrate on heroics and flashpoints, and just do the side-quests as filler. Maybe lots of others are doing the same thing? Enjoying the more single-player aspect of the game at first, which is why you are not seeing as much interest in grouping.

 

I'm sure, as others have said, that the level range of the critical mass of players is probably still pretty easy to get groups in.

I haven't had any problems, I usually group up with a guildy or two and a companion and do them all at once, or snag someone that's asking in general chat.

 

Best thing to do is wait til then end of the planet and do them all at once with a group.

I've duoed every Heroic 4 with my brother and we just finished up Hoth. None of these require 4 players. We even duoed the Hoth Bonus Series heroic 4's which were level 47 while we were 44/45.

 

All the bosses in these are extremely easy and deal very little damage. The dangerous stuff is groups of 4-6 containing 2-3 elites. You need to avoid those groups unless you have multiple CC effects. You also need to use RANGED DPS companions, NOT melee, the melee ones are just awful for heroic 4's because they consantly stand in fire, get cleaved, etc. Waste of healing.

 

Finally, so what if you cant finish some of these without a group? Youre not entitled to solo the entire game. These serve as entry points into group encounters, group tactics, crowd control, and higher difficulties. Removing them is vastly more detrimental than some people not doing them because they couldnt find a group. They serve as the training wheels for Flashpoints, which then serve as the training for Operations. This natural progression is by design. It's uncomfortable because these challenged need to be done differently than the solo game, but without these entry points instead of being uncomfortable doing heroic 4's, you become completely incapable of doing flashpoints.

The reason you are having such a hard time finding group for heroic quests is simple - you were in Early Access and now you are too far ahead of the majority of the leveling crowd.

 

Do a /who on your level range, then a /who on Coruscant, Taris or Nar Shaddaa. The numbers themselves should tell a clear story.

 

+1 this is exactly why, Have a 28 Sent and its a pain to find a group on Tat (32 people in zone at peak last night), just happened to hop on my 18 scoundral and what do ya know 100+ people in taris. Give the people who didnt sky rocket through content a day or two to catch up and youll get them done.

Like others have said, the problem isn't that some players are too far ahead of the levelling curve to effectively do heroic content. Rather, the problem is that in 6 months from now, almost all non-50 group content will be completely unused since there won't be a critical mass of players at those levels (starting planet heroics and the first FP likely being the notable exceptions).

Like others have said, the problem isn't that some players are too far ahead of the levelling curve to effectively do heroic content. Rather, the problem is that in 6 months from now, almost all non-50 group content will be completely unused since there won't be a critical mass of players at those levels (starting planet heroics and the first FP likely being the notable exceptions).

 

which two complete different things. what kind of argument is that supposed to be anyway? "I can't find a group NOW, because in SIX MONTHS people won't find a group". 0_o

 

and there a lot of misconception going on here: you don't NEED heroic quests. with flashpoints, space and overlapping zones there is more than enough content to not outlevel it. I'm not even sure you need flashpoints.

 

no one forces anyone to group. "omg I miss content" - unless you roll 8 different chars, do raids on nightmare and submit to the pvp-grind, you miss content anyway.

Edited December 29, 2011 by Graburr

which two complete different things. what kind of argument is that supposed to be anyway? "I can't find a group NOW, because in SIX MONTHS people won't find a group". 0_o

 

and there a lot of misconception going on here: you don't NEED heroic quests. with flashpoints, space and overlapping zones there is more than enough content to not outlevel it. I'm not even sure you need flashpoints.

 

no one forces anyone to group. "omg I miss content" - unless you roll 8 different chars, do raids on nightmare and submit to the pvp-grind, you miss content anyway.

 

No you dont NEED Heroic quest, but they do offer additional story AND rewards that are better then solo quest. Flashpoint are what they are, a chance to get a shot at a piece of gear and the learning experience of running said flashpoint (and to do hood rat things with your friends )

No you dont NEED Heroic quest, but they do offer additional story AND rewards that are better then solo quest.

 

heroics give 3 commendation and a large sum of xp, plus the drops. story is the usual "there's a guy that needs to be killed/defended or stuff looted". so nothing special

plus they are dailies, can be shared and have no quest requirement - which means if people REALLY wanted to do them, they would just reply to the lfm in chat (I highly doubt there is not ONE player looking for a group), let some1 share the quest and off they go.

and even if they did them the day before, what's keeping them from repeating the mentioned steps today?

 

the learning experience of running said flashpoint (and to do hood rat things with your friends )

 

oh yes. force push in cademimu is hilarious.

Edited December 29, 2011 by Graburr

You play on a poor server. My experience has been the exact opposite of yours.

 

Or in a poor timeframe on that server.

While I am enjoying the SWTOR game, I am thinking that it is possibly stifling its own community. Currently it is pretty difficult and/or time consuming to form a group for pretty much anything. Even as a tank, I sometimes leave fleet being unable to form a group for a flashpoint.

 

Anyway, this thread is about the heroic quests. I think it's good that they are in here; in an MMORPG people should be forced to socialise. If they didn't want to, why are they playing an MMORPG? However, it is getting difficult to get groups, let alone good groups, for the 4/5 heroic 4 quests per planet.

 

My idea is to have only 1 or 2 long and engaging heroic 4 per planet, and to downgrade the others to heroic 2. This way you still get the option of doing really great difficult quests, and since they'll be quite long chains, able to keep your group, but still be able to get some of the other smaller ones done without having to wait 30 minutes to get a group, or, worse still, find that you've done the entire planet and still not done your heroic 4's, and have to abandon them and leave (which has happened to me already a few times).

 

Best way for you to get groups faster is to find a good healer friend and advertise as Tank and Healer LFG quest name. As a healer I always look for a good tank buddy or two or three so I can advertise for groups with them, when people see that you already have the group half formed they jump at the chance to get in...

Edited January 13, 2012 by Rahl_Windsong