And so were the movies in which the dark side is more powerful. Luke even needs to call on the dark side to beat Vader.

 

Because the Dark Side is the quicker route to power. You had Luke, while likely a natural with the Force, the not as well trained Jedi against the well trained former Jedi now Sith.

 

Anakin trained in the force sense he was 10. Luke, over 18, and didn't even realize he had the ability to use the Force. Anakin at least knew there was something more to him when he was younger.

Because the Dark Side is the quicker route to power. You had Luke, while likely a natural with the Force, the not as well trained Jedi against the well trained former Jedi now Sith.

 

Anakin trained in the force sense he was 10. Luke, over 18, and didn't even realize he had the ability to use the Force. Anakin at least knew there was something more to him when he was younger.

 

Yes. its pretty well certain that Luke beat Vader to using the dark side.

 

"He rushed to his father with a frenzy he'd never known.

Nor had Vader. The gladiators battled fiercely, sparks

flying from the clash of their radiant weapons, but it was

soon evident that the advantage was all Luke's. And he was

pressing it. They locked swords, body to body. When Luke

pushed Vader back to break the clinch, the Dark Lord hit his

head on an over-hanging beam in the cramped space. He

stumbled backward even farther, out of the low-hanging area.

Luke pursued him relentlessly.

 

blow upon blow, Luke forced Vader to retreat - back, onto

the bridge that crossed the vast, seemingly bottomless shaft

to the power core. Each stroke of Luke's saber pummeled

Vader, like accusations, like screams, like shards of hate.

 

The Dark Lord was driven to his knees. He raised his blade

to block yet another onslaught - and Luke slashed Vader's

right hand off at the wrist."

Edited July 14, 2013 by Girdeux

Saying the Light is more powerful than the Dark or vice versa is the same thing as saying the Force is more powerful than the Force.

 

Here are the main differences:

 

Dark Side pros: Quicker power, more aggressive and far more applicable against others.

Light Side pros: Self-control, emotional control, ability to achieve oneness with the force, true immortality.

Dark Side cons: Lack of self-control, emotionally unbalanced, inability to become truly immortal.

Light Side cons: Growth in ability and power takes a lot longer.

 

wrong, dark side force users can become blue glowy ghosts also....

wrong, dark side force users can become blue glowy ghosts also....

 

False, they can become Sith spirits that hang around places for a long while, unless said spirits are redeemed like Ajunta Pall was by Revan. it is inevitable for you to go to the void of the dark side and believe me after what Caedus said, it isn't a very nice holiday resort.

More on Luke using the dark side to become more powerful. ROTJ Novel

 

"Luke stood above him, at the top of the staircase, heady with his own power. It was in his hands, now, he knew it was: he could take Vader. Take his blade, take his life. Take his place at the Emperor's side. Yes, even that. Luke didn't bury the thought, this time; he gloried in it. He engorged himself with its juices, felt its power tingle his cheeks. It made him feverish, this thought, with lust so overpowering as to totally obliterate all other considerations.

 

He had the power; the choice was his.

 

And then another thought emerged, slowly compulsive as an ardent lover: he could destroy the Emperor, too. Destroy them both, and rule the galaxy. Avenge and conquer.

It was a profound moment for Luke. Dizzying. Yet he did not swoon. Nor did he recoil.

He took one step forward.

 

For the first time, the thought entered Vader's consciousness that his son might best him. He was astounded by the strength Luke had acquired since their last duel, in the Cloud City - not to mention the boy's timing, which was honed to a thought's-breadth. This was an unexpected circumstance. Unexpected and unwelcome. Vader felt humiliation crawling in on the tail of his first reaction, which was surprise, and his second, which was fear. And then the edge of the humiliation curled up, to reveal bald anger. And now, he wanted revenge."

 

even the emperor was scared of Luke using the dark side

The Emperor watched Luke's face with cunning. "I'm sure Yoda taught you to use the Force with great skill."

 

The taunt had the desired effect - Luke's face flushed, his muscles flexed.

 

He saw the Emperor actually lick his lips at the sight of Luke's reaction. Lick his lips and laugh from the bottom of his throat, from the bottom of his soul.

 

Luke paused, for he saw something else, as well; something he hadn't seen before in the Emperor. Fear.

 

Luke saw fear in the Emperor - fear of Luke. Fear of Luke's power, fear that this power could be turned on him - on the Emperor - in the same way that Vader had turned it on Obi-Wan Kenobi. Luke saw this fear in the Emperor - and he knew, now, the odds had shifted slightly. He had glimpsed the Emperor's nakedest self.

 

With sudden absolute calm, Luke stood upright. He stared directly into the malign ruler's hood.

 

Palpatine said nothing for a few moments, returning the young Jedi's gaze, assessing his strengths and weaknesses. He sat back at last, pleased with this first confrontation. "I look forward to completing your training, young Skywalker. In time, you will call me Master."

 

And this is why the dark side trumps the light.

Edited July 14, 2013 by Girdeux

Yes. its pretty well certain that Luke beat Vader to using the dark side.

 

"He rushed to his father with a frenzy he'd never known.

Nor had Vader. The gladiators battled fiercely, sparks

flying from the clash of their radiant weapons, but it was

soon evident that the advantage was all Luke's. And he was

pressing it. They locked swords, body to body. When Luke

pushed Vader back to break the clinch, the Dark Lord hit his

head on an over-hanging beam in the cramped space. He

stumbled backward even farther, out of the low-hanging area.

Luke pursued him relentlessly.

 

blow upon blow, Luke forced Vader to retreat - back, onto

the bridge that crossed the vast, seemingly bottomless shaft

to the power core. Each stroke of Luke's saber pummeled

Vader, like accusations, like screams, like shards of hate.

 

The Dark Lord was driven to his knees. He raised his blade

to block yet another onslaught - and Luke slashed Vader's

right hand off at the wrist."

 

I didn't deny it o.O So what are you trying to say? You had the not as well trained force user (Luke) using the dark side to overpower the well trained in the the force, user (Vader).

 

Dark side = quicker power

Light side = greater power

according to G cannon the dark side is quicker which i believe may mean they acquire power faster than jedi, but in the end jedi can become just as powerful as sith but take a longer and calmer path

I didn't deny it o.O So what are you trying to say? You had the not as well trained force user (Luke) using the dark side to overpower the well trained in the the force, user (Vader).

 

Dark side = quicker power

Light side = greater power

 

... who was also using the Dark Side.

 

Since both are using the Dark Side, you can effectively remove that from both sides of the equation.

IF Untrained Dark Side Luke beat Trained Dark Side Vader

THEN Untrained Luke beat Trained Vader.

The only thing you can deduce is that when using similar Force, Luke is better than Vader.

 

However in the earlier fights, Light Side Luke lost to Dark Side Vader. The only change between the two situations is whether or not Luke used the Dark Side of the Force.

Light Side Luke = loss, Dark Side Luke= win.

Since Luke is common to both, you can remove him from the equations as well.

Light Side = lose. Dark Side = win.

 

It is cannon that the dark side is stronger. That does not make it preferable. It means the light has to fight harder. It is not the easy path. We can debate wheter it is the better path if you wish but Dark Side is more powerful than Light. The whole underdog vs the overwhelming regime looses its foundation otherwise. Episodes IV - VI was a David vs Goliath story, after all. For the little guy to win he has to be the little guy.

I am making my Jedi dark, he is level 10 and already has red eyes.

 

Is this going to work out for me?

 

Only thing I have noticed is I can not use a few lightsabers.

What's interesting to me, is that before Skywalker reformed the Jedi, things like love and compassion were also considered the 'Dark Side'. Heck, any form of emotional attachment or affection could corrupt a Jedi almost completely. it's as if there own code was driving them slowly mad, cutting them off from the most basic of feelings and attachments. It's no wonder they don't fear death, they don't have life...in a way.

 

A Sith might have a short life and be killed by his own kind (or his own students) but he also has the chance to fall in love, have children, and also have lifelong friends. A Jedi can not have any of those things, and if they do, they either fall, go mad, or throw the loved one away, and deny there existence *cough Theron Shan cough*.

 

You can take the Sith code at face value, the pre Skywalker Jedi code however, well, so often I've been told it has to be 'interpreted'.

 

I find that interesting.

Dark side= quick power

light side= power in time without negative side effects

 

Say an athlete wants to get a super ripped body fast. He decides to take steroids and transforms his body in a month. Steroids have bad side effects though as does using the dark side of the force.

 

If he use natural supplements and whey protein it might take longer to get the body but he wont be susceptible to mood swings, baldness, cancer etc.

 

I wouldn't say either side is more powerful. They both have pros and cons. It all comes down to the user. The user with a higher mido count who is better trained will be more powerful regardless of his methods.

 

If the user goes down the path of the darkside his power will grow quicker. If he choses lightside his power will take considerably longer to develop. I think in the area between apprentice and master is where the darkside especially shines, and a low/midlevel darksider will most times utterly destroy their lightside counterparts. At mastery level its more balanced.

Dark side= quick power

light side= power in time without negative side effects

 

Say an athlete wants to get a super ripped body fast. He decides to take steroids and transforms his body in a month. Steroids have bad side effects though as does using the dark side of the force.

 

If he use natural supplements and whey protein it might take longer to get the body but he wont be susceptible to mood swings, baldness, cancer etc.

 

I wouldn't say either side is more powerful. They both have pros and cons. It all comes down to the user. The user with a higher mido count who is better trained will be more powerful regardless of his methods.

 

If the user goes down the path of the darkside his power will grow quicker. If he choses lightside his power will take considerably longer to develop. I think in the area between apprentice and master is where the darkside especially shines, and a low/midlevel darksider will most times utterly destroy their lightside counterparts. At mastery level its more balanced.

 

how would you respond to the postulate that even a master Jedi can increase his powers beyond his current maximum, for a short period of time, by using the dark side?

I would agree. After all more knowledge is more power.

 

That goes for both sides.

Edited July 18, 2013 by DARTHOSIRUS

I like the comment stated earlier: this is like asking if the Force is stronger than the Force.

 

I am personally of the philosophy that the Force is the Force, and it acts and moves around the galaxy without regard to 'Light' or 'Dark' sides.

 

In the previous example where Luke was channeling the Dark Side to defeat Vader- he was simply channeling more force into himself than Vader was. This has nothing to do with the strength of the so-called Dark Side, and everything to do with what exactly the people were doing at the time. (In this case, insticntively reaching for power, and retreating feebly respectively.)

 

You see an opposite example in Episode III in the fight of Yoda vs Palpatine, when Sidious throws Force Lightining at Yoda. Force Lightning is regarded as the signature Dark Side mastery technique, as it takes a level of control and knowledge to attain. Yoda then uses his own knowledge of the Force to contain and harness that technique to his own purposes (turning it into a Telekenetic Wave, I believe)- The 'Dark' lost to the 'Light.' But in this case it was more of a case of whose knowlege and mastery of the Force itself was greater than the other's- and the conclusion of the fight showed that Palpatine and Yoda were (more-or-less) on equal footing in that regard, in my opinion.

 

Alternatively, what if Darth Vader had been able to tap into Mace Windu's Vaapad combat style when fighting the Rage-empowered Luke Skywalker? Or if Yoda had known how to/ been willing to use Force Drain during his fight with Palpatine? Those fights would have been much different, don't you think?

 

The use of the Force, and the effectiveness of such use has very little- if anything- to do with concepts of 'Light' or 'Dark' and everything to do with how adept the user is in manipulating the Force itself.

 

Just my opinion.

how would you respond to the postulate that even a master Jedi can increase his powers beyond his current maximum, for a short period of time, by using the dark side?

 

He could BUT, many of the light side powers, require calm and tranquility to use them effectively. He could completely disrupt many of his abilities because he got angry.

 

Much of the light side powers require a monk-like zen calm to reach maximum potential. Sith on the other hand require heavy emotions to fuel their power. All about how you channel the force.

... who was also using the Dark Side.

 

Since both are using the Dark Side, you can effectively remove that from both sides of the equation.

IF Untrained Dark Side Luke beat Trained Dark Side Vader

THEN Untrained Luke beat Trained Vader.

The only thing you can deduce is that when using similar Force, Luke is better than Vader.

 

However in the earlier fights, Light Side Luke lost to Dark Side Vader. The only change between the two situations is whether or not Luke used the Dark Side of the Force.

Light Side Luke = loss, Dark Side Luke= win.

Since Luke is common to both, you can remove him from the equations as well.

Light Side = lose. Dark Side = win.

 

It is cannon that the dark side is stronger. That does not make it preferable. It means the light has to fight harder. It is not the easy path. We can debate wheter it is the better path if you wish but Dark Side is more powerful than Light. The whole underdog vs the overwhelming regime looses its foundation otherwise. Episodes IV - VI was a David vs Goliath story, after all. For the little guy to win he has to be the little guy.

 

That's a non-sequitor if I ever saw one...

 

There were other factors in both fights that affected the outcome of the battles, enough that you can't boil it down to A beat B therefore C.

Luke was able to beat Vader for the simple reason of why he use the dark side. He channeled the dark side to protect his sister not for himself. Basically he was starting to find out as Revan had that to be a true master of the force you must have to find balance in both sides. The light side believes that you should ignore all emotions, the dark side believes you should let your emotions take control. But as Revan and Luke have found to have emotions but not loose control to them makes you far more powerful.

A lot of strength to the Dark-side yes. More powerful? No. It's part of established lore that the Light Side is stronger. There's no debating that. It's been said. It's canon. Seriously, whatever your thoughts on it are, Light Side is more powerful. Is it as free as Dark Side? I'd say yes, but not until Luke. Basically it takes centuries for the Light Side to figure out "OMG! We don't have to hold back!"

 

But Dark Side is the easier path to power and way more seductive. But being selfish usually tends to be more seductive.

 

if the light side is stronger and will ALWAYS win then why did palpatine manage to seize the galaxy huh?

if the light side is stronger and will ALWAYS win then why did palpatine manage to seize the galaxy huh?

 

Thirty years (if you included Palpatine's return) compared to 25,034 years at least, yeh I think that comparison is one you don't want to make.

five-hundred years (if you included Palpatine's return) compared to 3,000 years at least, yeh I think that comparison is one you don't want to make.

lol:D