Zenith

Tharan Cedrax

Nadia Grell

And a suggestion on their return --

Make Zenith romance companion or allow us to flirt. I have a cute Twi'lek Jedi that would have much rather got with Zenith as she had no interest in holocron man. I know he is the same voice actor so maybe just get another one if that bothers people that it's Theron's voice. I really don't care either way. Although I don't think it hurts at all to have him with the same voice actor.

Tharan Cedrax -- my human Jedi and him were a thing. And when you really look at the conversations, Tharan does fall for the Jedi and the reason Holiday kept electrocuting him. She never minded before when he would disappear to the casino and flirt or sleep with other women, because as she always felt Tharan would return to her, until he meets the Jedi. Even if he isn't ever going to be a romance companion at least let my character give him a big hug for coming back.

Nadia -- I would really like find out that she found a good master to pick up the training that I was unable to complete with her. And have her return a full fledged Jedi now.

Come on - I know you can do that in a 2 minute conversation right?!

They should have just had everyone step off a interstellar transport at the conclusion of KOTET, Iokath etc complaining about public transport and lousy holo-fi connections. It'd be better than what we've received.

As for the Counselor companions, I'm relatively certain that the original KOxx trilogy had either no plans to return all the missing companions or that the JC's companions got cut with the lack of a third part. Either way, there are no meaningful returns in store for any of them.

And I stand by my somewhat sarcastic post (ages ago) that it'll be 2020 before they're all returned.

I sincerely hope to be very wrong though.

And I stand by my somewhat sarcastic post (ages ago) that it'll be 2020 before they're all returned.

That's becoming sadder and funnier as 2020 draws closer.

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I think he can stay gone, thanks.

Did i mention I'm a pacifist? Did i mention I'm a pacifist? Did i mention I'm a pacifist? Did i mention I'm a pacifist? Did i mention I'm a pacifist? Did i mention I'm a pacifist? Did i mention I'm a pacifist?

 

I think he can stay gone, thanks.

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. You're forgetting Holiday. You know exactly what target is being CC in the difficult solo content.

Oh wait....

Dasty

P.S. And, I know I'm opening up a can of worms here -- Nadia's voice sounds like she's had too much Alderannian nectar or something. And don't get me started on the whole age / maturity (I know they are different but still) thing.../creepy

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I think he can stay gone, thanks.

I hated that he said that too. BUT if you put him on DPS or even Tank he does not say that line. At least I didn't hear him say it.

Zenith, I believe, is voiced by the same voice actor as Theron Shan (Troy Baker). They might have left him purposely out to avoid confusion during the chapters. Nadia and TC-Holliday, no clue as to the delay. Same with Kira, Doc and Scourge. Maybe somewhere along the way they decided to keep all 6 Jedi companions out of the expansions for a future Jedi-centered storyline that never left the designing board.

My advice, don't count on their return. Just use the console to bring them back and build the backstory in your head. It's sad, but that's the reality of the game; not enough of people working on it and the priority has shifted away from returning missing companions. It's been 3 years since KotFE launched, at this point, a Treek romance is more likely than any of those 6 returning.

Make Zenith romance companion or allow us to flirt. I have a cute Twi'lek Jedi that would have much rather got with Zenith as she had no interest in holocron man. I know he is the same voice actor so maybe just get another one if that bothers people that it's Theron's voice. I really don't care either way. Although I don't think it hurts at all to have him with the same voice actor.

 

Tharan Cedrax -- my human Jedi and him were a thing. And when you really look at the conversations, Tharan does fall for the Jedi and the reason Holiday kept electrocuting him. She never minded before when he would disappear to the casino and flirt or sleep with other women, because as she always felt Tharan would return to her, until he meets the Jedi. Even if he isn't ever going to be a romance companion at least let my character give him a big hug for coming back.

A romance option for both of them would be nice.

I was really sad when Tharan had to stop his relationship with my female JC, why let that poor girl even start a relationship with him to break it like that ? :'(

And while Zenith is not my favorite companion, he could actually work with that poor heartbroken Twi'lek JC that was dumped by Tharan.

BTW it seems like Zenith's voice is a problem only in english, he and Theron have different VA in french at least.

I haven't tried the Iresso romance yet, because i'm not that far into the story with the female JC, but while he's a good guy, idk, i don't really care about him. Maybe it'll change when i'll see the romance though.

Zenith, I believe, is voiced by the same voice actor as Theron Shan (Troy Baker). They might have left him purposely out to avoid confusion during the chapters. Nadia and TC-Holliday, no clue as to the delay. Same with Kira, Doc and Scourge. Maybe somewhere along the way they decided to keep all 6 Jedi companions out of the expansions for a future Jedi-centered storyline that never left the designing board.

 

My advice, don't count on their return. Just use the console to bring them back and build the backstory in your head. It's sad, but that's the reality of the game; not enough of people working on it and the priority has shifted away from returning missing companions. It's been 3 years since KotFE launched, at this point, a Treek romance is more likely than any of those 6 returning.

You are wrong on at least two, probably more.

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I think he can stay gone, thanks.

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Wasn't there a rumor or some info that a Zenith return actually existed but was never released?

I thought Felix Iresso's story could have been the basis for a really good chapter of KOTET. Given his circumstances, they could have incorporated it into the

Pity it ended up being only two minutes of Felix explaining where he'd been.

Wasn't there a rumor or some info that a Zenith return actually existed but was never released?

 

I thought Felix Iresso's story could have been the basis for a really good chapter of KOTET. Given his circumstances, they could have incorporated it into the

Nathema chapter in KOTET, since Jarak was torturing (experimenting) on him. They could have had the Commander and Lana come across him in the Santiarium and free him.

Pity it ended up being only two minutes of Felix explaining where he'd been.

Agree 100%. I think Felix's return alert was two very good minutes, but it hurts to think of the chapter that might have been.

It's hard to understand why some classes got all their companions back (or fully accounted for) earlier than the consular even got their second one back. If the sacrifice of half the planned chapters meant losing some companion returns planned for chapters, couldn't those that still made sense in the context of the chapters we got have been included?

And just think, we never got to confront Jarak about what he did to Felix. We even cooperated with him in the Nathema chapter. When he died off camera to a monster, Lana commented: "Pity." If we had learned what happened to Felix at a point when Jarak was still alive, that would've really tested my consular's pure light alignment. Such a loss of what would've been an amazingly dramatic moment.

It would have made that chapter even more powerful. To be fair,

It's hard to understand why some classes got all their companions back (or fully accounted for) earlier than the consular even got their second one back. If the sacrifice of half the planned chapters meant losing some companion returns planned for chapters, couldn't those that still made sense in the context of the chapters we got have been included?

Agreed. There were a bunch of places they could have incorporated companion returns even within those 9 chapters of KOTET. In addition to Felix as discussed, I've always thought they could have added:

Risha, Corso and Andronikos: Profit and Plunder chapter or somewhere on Asylum. It would have been so nice to see the team of Vette and Risha working together again.

Akaavi and Mako: Mandalore's Revenge chapter. I think that even if they weren't dating anymore, Torian might have stuck with Mako to protect her and she would have ended up with the Mandalorians.

Vector: Alderaan Star Fortress guide

Elara Dorne: Disavowed chapter. Just keep her working with Aric Jorgan.

Quinn: KOTET chapter 2. They're on Dromund Kaas. Acina works with him. Come on.

Ashara: KOTET chapter 1 or the Voss Star Fortress

It would have made that chapter even more powerful. To be fair,

Lana appears completely disgusted when you meet Jarak, and she Force pushes him and knocks him down (and she says she recognizes him from the holos, so she knows exactly who he is when she does it). You only decide to spare him out of pragmatism so the death fog doesn't kill you. So I took the "pity" as more of a pragmatic "pity this creeper can't tell us more about what happened here" rather than a "pity this monster died."

Of course, this is all true.

There were a bunch of places they could have incorporated companion returns even within those 9 chapters of KOTET. In addition to Felix as discussed, I've always thought they could have added:

 

Risha, Corso and Andronikos: Profit and Plunder chapter or somewhere on Asylum. It would have been so nice to see the team of Vette and Risha working together again.

Akaavi and Mako: Mandalore's Revenge chapter. I think that even if they weren't dating anymore, Torian might have stuck with Mako to protect her and she would have ended up with the Mandalorians.

Vector: Alderaan Star Fortress guide

Elara Dorne: Disavowed chapter. Just keep her working with Aric Jorgan.

Quinn: KOTET chapter 2. They're on Dromund Kaas. Acina works with him. Come on.

Ashara: KOTET chapter 1 or the Voss Star Fortress

Well you're right, but the issue in most cases here is that they presumably intended to give more appropriate chapter returns to the majority of companions when they had twice as many chapters planned. For the KotFE chapters you mentioned, and the Star Fortresses too, it was only after their release and fan response that plans were changed. But yes, why not put Ashara in KotET ch1 and Quinn in KotET ch2? Even if it meant even worse imbalance in favour of repeatable Imperial companion returns compared with the small number of Republic returns we have in chapters...

Wasn't Zenith suppose to be the Balmorra Star Fortress companion? Or something along those lines?

Nar Shaddaa star fortress pick up quest line I think was him n original plans, according to a chunk of cut dialogue lines or something. Instead we got the sith chick.

Nar Shaddaa star fortress pick up quest line I think was him n original plans, according to a chunk of cut dialogue lines or something. Instead we got the sith chick.

Nar Shaddaa is what I heard too, though I think a Balmorra SF would've made more sense for Zenith. It was a surprise learning their original plan for him was a SF. All six SF companions we got didn't speak basic, so I assumed the content was intentionally designed with little voice-acting budget. Then again, they already had Troy recording Theron's lines, so Zenith would be a special case.

Zenith, I believe, is voiced by the same voice actor as Theron Shan (Troy Baker). They might have left him purposely out to avoid confusion during the chapters. Nadia and TC-Holliday, no clue as to the delay. Same with Kira, Doc and Scourge. Maybe somewhere along the way they decided to keep all 6 Jedi companions out of the expansions for a future Jedi-centered storyline that never left the designing board.

 

My advice, don't count on their return. Just use the console to bring them back and build the backstory in your head. It's sad, but that's the reality of the game; not enough of people working on it and the priority has shifted away from returning missing companions. It's been 3 years since KotFE launched, at this point, a Treek romance is more likely than any of those 6 returning.

Zenith was due back a long time ago, however for reasons unknown they changed this. I really hope they give him a romance-with-female-consular story when he does return. Something that lasts longer than a 3 minute cutscene - a mini storyline would be nice.

Treek romance?! That is seriously disturbing. Especially since she will eat you if you die!

 

Come on - I know you can do that in a 2 minute conversation right?!

The way returns are going, they will come back in a 2-minute conversation.........all together.

Of course, this is all true.

As you and I have discussed, Lana is true sith. She is neither as dark nor as light as many people think. Due to her pragmatism, I believe she'll put many ethical considerations to one side for the sake of the big picture, to gain advantage that could help her win victory and keep her chains broken. So I think if she felt she could gain something by continuing to work with Jarak, she would. Her "pity" is because of losing that opportunity, not because of any sympathy she has for Jarak. We already saw on Ziost how she favours experimenting on Master Surro, probably in ways not a million miles from what Jarak did to Felix.

 

But... in terms of the prospect of working with this horrendously amoral individual... what that moment confronts me with has a lot more implications for my consular. My consular doesn't kill to gain revenge or to punish an enemy. She believes in trying to nurture whatever little seed of potential is left in even the most depraved person, rather than throwing that seed away. And when I think of her trying to do that with Jarak, it makes me sick.

 

It also makes me think again about Arcann and all the atrocities that occurred under his rule. Atrocities that we now know include the torture of Felix, the man my consular loves more than her own life and considers the best, kindest person she has ever met. My consular gave Arcann another chance. The dark side path was far too heartless for her and would have been an even worse fit, particularly considering that it involved killing Senya, but now I can't help feeling there should have been some third way. I find myself asking if my pure light-side consular, who has never once taken a dark-side choice, is a collaborator with evil. I don't know if it's even a fair question to ask, given that the story provides us with so little choice. If I was deciding her actions with total freedom, I'd make different ones in a lot of cases. But still, the question remains if she's a collaborator, and right now I don't have a satisfactory answer.

 

 

 

All good points. What the Eternal Empire did to Felix was so calculated, so premeditated - and for him to lose his faith in the Republic after they refused to help him is completely understandable. It also brings up a question of how Felix will react if the Consular chooses to ally or return to the Republic later.

 

I also think the issue with saving Arcann and welcoming him to the Alliance and being an accessory to his crimes is a salient point. If the game had given a middle ground of having Arcann put into carbonite or imprisoned it might have better addressed those LS characters who want to show Arcann mercy by not killing him, but also recognize the severity of his crimes and do not want to consider him an ally. I can see this being a real crisis of conscience for a character who makes purely LS decisions.

 

As for dear Lana, yes, as we've talked about it before, that is a spot on assessment IMHO. She is not cruel for the sake of being a sadist, but if she feels it helps the larger picture, well...

 

 

Well you're right, but the issue in most cases here is that they presumably intended to give more appropriate chapter returns to the majority of companions when they had twice as many chapters planned. For the KotFE chapters you mentioned, and the Star Fortresses too, it was only after their release and fan response that plans were changed. But yes, why not put Ashara in KotET ch1 and Quinn in KotET ch2? Even if it meant even worse imbalance in favour of repeatable Imperial companion returns compared with the small number of Republic returns we have in chapters...

 

True enough. If they'd planned for the rest of the companions over three seasons, it makes sense that they wouldn't have tried to pile them all in to KOTFE. All the same, yeah, once they knew three seasons were not happening, there were a few openings in KOTET to introduce people and they should have taken them.

 

With Risha/Corso/Andronikos and the Profit or Plunder chapter, I think they should have just scripted it that way to start. That would have given them four LIs back, two female and two male, and two from each faction. Even if they'd just gone with Risha and Vette for that chapter, again, it would have been 1:1 with Republic and Empire.

You are wrong on at least two, probably more.

 

It's good to be wrong when I'm being too negative, please keep me informed of my mistakes in the future

What the Eternal Empire did to Felix was so calculated, so premeditated - and for him to lose his faith in the Republic after they refused to help him is completely understandable. It also brings up a question of how Felix will react if the Consular chooses to ally or return to the Republic later.

I agree with pretty much your whole post. I'm not 100% on trying to bring four companions back in one chapter, but with everything we know now I'd say I'm maybe... 90%? It makes sense now, when we're getting a whole bunch of two-minute returns. If each of the four companions only got a few minutes' attention in the chapter, it wouldn't be much different from what they ended up with - and it would be repeatable. And Vette plus Risha is such a shame to have missed. And the theme of the chapter certainly fits the companions you mentioned. But hindsight is 20/20. We don't know what chapters were planned that we never got, but I'd be surprised if none of them would've been an even better fit for some of these companions.

Regarding the bit of spoiler box I've quoted,

I agree with pretty much your whole post. I'm not 100% on trying to bring four companions back in one chapter, but with everything we know now I'd say I'm maybe... 90%? It makes sense now, when we're getting a whole bunch of two-minute returns. If each of the four companions only got a few minutes' attention in the chapter, it wouldn't be much different from what they ended up with - and it would be repeatable. And Vette plus Risha is such a shame to have missed. And the theme of the chapter certainly fits the companions you mentioned. But hindsight is 20/20. We don't know what chapters were planned that we never got, but I'd be surprised if none of them would've been an even better fit for some of these companions.

 

Regarding the bit of spoiler box I've quoted,

I've discussed this at some length in the topic linked in my signature, but the short version is this.

 

1) It's not coherent to assume that many people in the Republic actually knew what was happening to Felix, because otherwise we could've learned sooner via our various Republic contacts and Theron's SIS links. I wouldn't be surprised if Saresh was 90% at fault for his abandonment, as she's the one person mentioned as knowing he wanted to take off on that mission to Zakuul. (He only mentions her by title but I think she was still Chancellor at that point?)

 

2) I can't imagine Felix being happy about working with the Republic again. I don't take his feelings about that lightly. But even after him being hurt by them not helping him, I bet it'll be a cold day in hell before he wants to join the Empire that took over his home planet, made him a refugee, and put the holocron in his head in the first place (to list just a few things). We've talked about the Empire a lot and I've seen you discuss it with plenty of other posters, so I'm not trying to change your mind about the Empire here, just about how I think Felix will still feel about the Empire. (Not that I actually expect the game to show his reaction. Companion-specific reactions to our various decisions isn't something we see a lot, sadly.)

Agreed with all of the above. Either choice is going to be difficult for him, and there's no denying that he had terrible experiences at the hands of the Empire. I also doubt it will happen, but I really wish we would see the companions' reactions to the Alliance's decisions far more than a split second "so and so approves" every now and then.

I think that with characters like Felix, a third option to remain truly neutral and out of the factions in future content would have been especially appreciated. For Lana, as well. I truly cannot see her as a good match with the Republic in any way. She's proud of being Sith, and encourages you to work with the Empire on Iokath, but she also says

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. You're forgetting Holiday. You know exactly what target is being CC in the difficult solo content.

 

No, we aren't forgetting Holiday. She's even more annoying then he is.