Riggz Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Hey guys agents are op and need a nerd. Because a very few agents can maybe keep up with a terrible inquisitor and that isn't acceptable. /sarcasm off Fix medical therapy!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saella Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Fix therapy !!!! And buff the class... been 2 month im whining... i'll whine more !!!! i want a fix !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixit Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 (edited) Well they officially buried this issue by the moving the thread to these Agent forums where it will never ever get a response. We all know no Dev even reads stuff here. Case closed, the end, exit stage right. Edited February 13, 2012 by fixit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreasus Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 I am supriesed that they moved this thread. Normally they look at the topic, read something about operatives, then they put thread on the ignore for Devs list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saella Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Least played class, so least attention !!! GOOD JOB TO DEVS, if you wanted 3 class, why have bothered doing a fourth one, and doing half class.... with half of their skills broken, this sound half brilliant .... FAIL !!!! I call this racism ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggz Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 We pay same amount of money as inquisitors, warriors, and bounty hunters!I want a response now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saella Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 (edited) We pay same amount of money as inquisitors, warriors, and bounty hunters! I want a response now I agree, why releasing half a classe... When you realise, you get ****ed because they messed up the classe it's too late, we are lvl 50 and dont want to reroll again... i sent around 10 messages on twitter to RockJaw and silence there too... Lol i laughed when i saw people talking about ''conspiracy" but it make me think about it more and more.... No answer, tread getting close, silence.... IM TALKING TO THE WALL, SWEET RACISM Edited February 13, 2012 by Saella Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selais Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 stuff Operative is not a race >< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggz Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 We won't get buffed We should be happy healing isn't getting nerfed All bow to the mighty inquisitor healer! Which. An out heal me when I have 960 cunning and him 774 willpower Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamrolled Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Entire class needs a rework. Not just that talent. Operative is inferior to anything else. Name one role we can fulfill better then another class. Or perform as equal. Hiding does not count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggz Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Entire class needs a rework. Not just that talent. Operative is inferior to anything else. Name one role we can fulfill better then another class. Or perform as equal. Hiding does not count. You sir are correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggz Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Bump!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amiable Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 (edited) Bump!!!!!! Bump what? this thread was getting a lot of attention in the Test Server forum so they buried back here on our class forums. I still plan to play my operative but honestly this is a pretty good indicator (along with their total lack of response) that the Devs have about zero interest in addressing our class concerns. At an outside IA's/smuggler's will remain in a bad state for another 6 months or so at least, if a fix hasn't come at at that point, just accept you will always be playing a "challenge" class. (Although this doens't effect smuggler's so... haha on us). No use whining about it, if being the best healer is your concern then just re-roll Sorc. It would be a much better use of your time than complaining on the boards. Or just unsubscribe and when they send you the "Why did you unsubscribe?" e-mail mention that this was a concern. Edited February 13, 2012 by Amiable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pijinz Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Surgical Probe seems to work now that I've tested it. Kolto Probe is clearly not affected though. Here's a test for Surgical Probe if anybody is interested. First you spec up to here: http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#401rffMzh0oz.1 Then you want to convince yourself that the datamined formulas are in fact correct. Note that the tooltip will be out by a considerable amount here (the tooltips for talented abilities use the minimum level they can be taken for calculating StandardHealth, but their actual output uses caster level, so 50 at cap)(*). At level 50, base formula should be: Ability Damage Min = 1.37 * HealingBonus + 0.038 * 7085 Ability Damage Max = 1.37 * HealingBonus + 0.098 * 7085 But then you'll need to increase by 3% from Medical Consult (we're always going to be testing without TA present here; use a single Kolto Injection to get a TA, then use it on Surgical Probe without proccing a second TA), and 15% from Surgical Precision (this one doesn't show up in the tooltip btw, but it's easy to see that it works). This will give you: 1.622765 * HealingBonus + [318.902935, 822.433885] Now plug in your HealingBonus to get a strict bound [X, Y] (give it +/- 1 for rounding errors). If you see a value for your heal H, where H < X or H > Y, then something is amiss. So throw some SPs onto yourself, as many as you need to be confident, and verify that the amount you receive is between these two figures (barring crits, and remember to have only the one TA present when you cast SP). If you see a single case outside these bounds, then something has been calculated wrong (or the formula is incorrect... which it's not). After about 50 goes I was happy. Now spec into Medical Therapy: http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#401rffMzh0Rz.1 You now have two sets of bounds to consider, [X, Y] as before, and [X*1.06, Y*1.06]. Now here's the test: keep using Surgical Probe over and over until you see a value H (non-crit) with X < H < X*1.06 OR with Y < H < Y*1.06. If you see the former case, then the talent does nothing. If you see the latter case, then it works. Simples. As it happens, something like the first or second try I got Y < H < Y*1.06, so I can be sure that it's working. Well, for Surgical Probe anyway. For Kolto Probe the effects are in a catagory I like to call "F.A.", which stands for "(N)ot (V)ery (M)uch". (*) If you're wondering, the tooltip will show 1.4111 * HealingBonus + [143.6438, 370.4498] given the relevant talents. Try it, it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
autolykos Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Please fix this! I really want to spec 31 into the medic tree, but garbage and broken talents are stopping me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zahryn Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 So did everyone miss the response 4 days ago saying they were aware of the issue and were fixing it in this very thread or do you just like complaining? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saella Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 So did everyone miss the response 4 days ago saying they were aware of the issue and were fixing it in this very thread or do you just like complaining? Show me where, been 2 months they replied my ticket saying this as been shown to the developpers, so far they don't care... so yeah we keep whining.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zahryn Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 (edited) A fix for this issue is in progress. Here? http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=2703296#edit2703296 Edited February 14, 2012 by Zahryn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daize Posted February 14, 2012 Author Share Posted February 14, 2012 wth ? I read this thread 2x/day never saw Georg post in it. How did I miss that ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgZoeller Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 Update: The fix for this is scheduled for weekly patch 1.1.4. -- Georg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amiable Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 Here? http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=2703296#edit2703296 Oh hey I totally missed this, this is great news! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selais Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 (edited) 10% more KP healing! Yippee! GAMECHANGER! Edited February 14, 2012 by Selais Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thirdspace Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 wth ? I read this thread 2x/day never saw Georg post in it. How did I miss that ???? I also read this daily. That dev response was stealth patched into the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amiable Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 (edited) I also read this daily. That dev response was stealth patched into the thread. Yeah, its pretty weird that no one even commented on it for 4 or five pages after. I commented on the page after so I know it wasn't there a few days ago. That's kind of hilarious, why would they do that? Edited February 14, 2012 by Amiable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixit Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 (edited) I also read this daily. That dev response was stealth patched into the thread. This, it was below my one post that I re-read over and over. Glaringingly obvious that dev post was inserted recently. But still, at least they replied even though in a shady way. Woot! Edited February 14, 2012 by fixit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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