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Considering we're dealing with 2 different fictional universes within the same genre of Sci/fi-technology, which do you think looks more advanced?

 

It's hard to tell for me because both of them have really crazy advanced tech but it's mixed with old tech.

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Star wars... Hyperdrive gives you much more flexibility in space travel than mass relays ever could (though mass relays might be faster, it's not entirely clear). Star Wars ships are generally much larger in scale too.

 

Hard to compare a blaster to mass effect's weird way of doing guns though.

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Ok lets break this down:

 

Shields:

Mass effect; only able to block physical impact and disperse the kenetic energy of that impact no use against energy weapons.

 

Star wars; Blocks both energy and physical impact, also exists in both Ray and partical versions of shields (at least according to EU matirial).

 

So for shields Starwars would apper to be more advanced.

 

Weapons:

Mass effect; High velocity low mass kenetic kill weapons, long range, requires ammo.

Directed energy weapons for point defence, short range, no ammo.

 

Starwars; Pulse energy weapons, no ammo, short to mid range, primery offencive and defencive armameant.

Proton torpedos, penetraites ray shields, guided, requires ammo, mid to short range.

 

Here it gets diffcult as you have two completly diffrent approches to warfare and weapons to reflect that, Mass effect if more a long range artilery fight and Starwars is a close in brawl, each is better than the other for the type of warfare it is designed for so call it equal.

 

Sub-light propultion:

Mass effect; High speed and manovrability due to mass effect fields, engins burn fuel

 

Starwars; Ion drive engins so no "fuel" as such, throw out a large amount of hear and radation providing some protection against fighter attack.

 

FTL:

Mass effect; Relies on Mass effect fields, ships can only make short trips under there own power, uses the same engins for sub-light and FTL so cannot escape to FTL if engins are damaged in a fight, long trips need to use a pair of fixed point realys.

 

Starwars; Hyperdrive, no need of sub-light drive for FTL travel, cannot be used in a gravity well, Ships cannot be tracked at FTL, very un safe to make uncalculated jumps due to the risk of hitting a gravity well.

 

So for engins I would stay Starwars gets this one as they are not restricted to pairs of Mass realys for travel.

 

Fighter:

Mass effect; energy weapons as primery armament, sub-ligh speed only.

 

Starwars; primery armament of energy weapons, can be FTL capable and can have shields.

 

The combat abilities are about equal but I would say SW has the more advanced ones due to hyperdrive tech again.

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Mass Effect is a relatively hard piece of Sci-Fi where faster than light travel is difficult and not replicable nor understood by the people who use it and energy weapons are rare, costly, and difficult to maintain.

 

Star Wars is incredibly soft Sci-Fi (Science Fantasy really), where moon sized space stations that could bust planets and traverse the galaxy on demand were the baseline that we started with and then went up from there.

 

Star Wars blows ME away by virtue of not trying to be remotely realistic.

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They're difficult to compare, because you can't see them side by side. For example, perhaps Mass Effect's personal shields render them completely immune to lightsabres! Or perhaps personal deflectors mean that no one in the Star Wars universe would even notice that Shepard was shooting at them.

 

The only real test you can give it is to compare objective factors.

 

For example, in Mass Effect, after centuries of studies, the most advanced of the Council races knows how to use the FTL transporters scattered around the galaxy and intended to be used by them. Conversely, in RotS, Anakin is on a remote planet on the outer rim and falls into lava, and the newly named Emperor senses this and rushes from the center of the galaxy in time to save him... meaning he had to get there in mere hours without planning ahead.

 

The Republic has been a more-or-less stable galactic government for ten thousand years. It's not really a fair comparison for them to be matched up against civilizations that have only been in space for centuries (or in the case of humans, far less). It would be like comparing us to ancient Egyptians. The pyramids at Luxor are impressive, but not nearly as sophisticated as the Luxor Casino in Vegas.

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Well the Reaper's technology was immense, they had hundreds of thousands if not millions of years of advancement in technology.

 

But I think this topic truly cannot be discussed objectively until we really know their power in Mass Effect 3.

 

They'll be somehow confrontable in ME3, so it can't be that much further ahead of their enemies. Plus, Sovereign was eventually destroyed by the Council fleet, and felt he had to bring in a swarm of Geth to confront them.

 

The Reapers are advanced, but they spend most of those millions of years asleep in deep space. I think they've mostly plateau'd in technology, because they direct the development of all rivals so that they never need to advance.

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Gunnery Chief: This, recruits, is a 20-kilo ferrous slug. Feel the weight. Every five seconds, the main gun of an Everest-class dreadnought accelerates one to 1.3 percent of light speed. It impacts with the force of a 38-kilotomb bomb. That is three times the yield of the city buster dropped on Hiroshima back on Earth. That means Sir Isaac Newton is the deadliest son-of-a-***** in space. Now! Serviceman Burnside! What is Newton's First Law?

 

First Recruit: Sir! A object in motion stays in motion, sir!

 

Gunnery Chief: No credit for partial answers, maggot!

 

First Recruit: Sir! Unless acted on by an outside force, sir!

 

Gunnery Chief: Damn straight! I dare to assume you ignorant *******es know that space is empty. Once you fire this hunk of metal, it keeps going till it hits something. That can be a ship, or the planet behind that ship. It might go off into deep space and hit somebody else in ten thousand years. If you pull the trigger on this, you're ruining someone's day, somewhere and sometime. That is why you check your damn targets! That is why you wait for the computer to give you a damn firing solution! That is why, Serviceman Chung, we do not "eyeball it!" This is a weapon of mass destruction. You are not a cowboy shooting from the hip!

 

Second Recruit: Sir, yes sir!

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Reapers > Star Wars > The rest of the ME universe.

 

Most of ME universe is pretty much on par with Battle Star Galactica/Firefly level of technology, still on bullets, slugs and bombs, but with some advance keneitc based technology throw in.

 

Star Wars is energy weapon and shields.

 

Reapers are impressive, they have ways of manipulating the laws of physics (mass effect fields) that allow for mind boggling maneuverability a Reaper (which is a very large capital ship) can on the spot turn going at max speed as if he were a fighter, this would tare the hull of any ship in half if tired, as physic do not allow for it. There weapons are speed of light projected super heated liquid metal guns (basically they shoot metal lava at the speed of light). As many a Sifi has taught me, energy shields do nothing against against lava for more than a few seconds, before they overload.

 

The only problem Reaper have is their shield defenses are keneitc (rather than energy) so they would not be able to withstand a Star War capital ships turbo lasers.

 

So:

 

The Reapers fly circles around Star Wars ships, and slaughter them with their lava guns. Though the Reapers better make sure they don't get hit or it's likely a one shot kill.

 

But other than that Star Wars destroys the ME universe.

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"The Reapers fly circles around Star Wars ships, and slaughter them with their lava guns. Though the Reapers better make sure they don't get hit or it's likely a one shot kill."

 

 

Oh wait I think you forgot how many turbolasers most SW capital ships have, Not to mention that they pour out a complete hail of fire at ALL kinds of directios.

 

Sure reapers have some insane tech that we dont really know about, But they seem to fear a united Citadel user civilisation.

 

So from that we can kind off judge how powerful they are.

 

Never diss the power of Star Wars capital ships, Especialy bigger ones just look at Taris and those were old smaller old republic ships.

 

Look at the Executor SSD and how many guns it had... Now imagine those firing on one of those small crab like reapers.

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Gunnery Chief: This, recruits, is a 20-kilo ferrous slug. Feel the weight. Every five seconds, the main gun of an Everest-class dreadnought accelerates one to 1.3 percent of light speed. It impacts with the force of a 38-kilotomb bomb. That is three times the yield of the city buster dropped on Hiroshima back on Earth. That means Sir Isaac Newton is the deadliest son-of-a-***** in space. Now! Serviceman Burnside! What is Newton's First Law?

 

First Recruit: Sir! A object in motion stays in motion, sir!

 

Gunnery Chief: No credit for partial answers, maggot!

 

First Recruit: Sir! Unless acted on by an outside force, sir!

 

Gunnery Chief: Damn straight! I dare to assume you ignorant *******es know that space is empty. Once you fire this hunk of metal, it keeps going till it hits something. That can be a ship, or the planet behind that ship. It might go off into deep space and hit somebody else in ten thousand years. If you pull the trigger on this, you're ruining someone's day, somewhere and sometime. That is why you check your damn targets! That is why you wait for the computer to give you a damn firing solution! That is why, Serviceman Chung, we do not "eyeball it!" This is a weapon of mass destruction. You are not a cowboy shooting from the hip!

 

Second Recruit: Sir, yes sir!

 

What is that from?

 

 

A side note to whomever said SW weapons have no ammo. You're wrong. They do have ammo, but it is in a gaseous state. Tibanna Gas, mined in several places most notably Bespin is the ammo used for blasters.

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To clear things up for some people, Mass Effect has FTL travel and it's different to the Mass Relays.

 

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/FTL

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Mass_Relay

 

FTL in Mass Effect is pretty much the same sort of FTL you see in any sci-fi game or film.

Mass Relays on the other hand basically shoots the ship through space at such a speed that travel is instantaneous, at least that's how I understand it.

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What is that from?

 

 

A side note to whomever said SW weapons have no ammo. You're wrong. They do have ammo, but it is in a gaseous state. Tibanna Gas, mined in several places most notably Bespin is the ammo used for blasters.

 

that's a line from the games... some troopers can be heard saying it by the Citadel docking shuttle I believe

 

in SW blasters all use 2 kinds of ammo... power and "blaster gas" ... blaster gas is actually a chemically-enhanced fluid that isn't turned into gas until the weapon is being fired.. and Tibanna gas was actually a rare kind that was considered high quality... there were hundreds of different types of blaster gas used

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Ok lets break this down:

 

 

Starwars; Ion drive engins so no "fuel" as such, throw out a large amount of hear and radation providing some protection against fighter attack.

 

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Ion drives require fuel just ike any other engine, especially for the purpose of quick accelartion and maneuvering

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star wars has the death star, a planet destroyer. The Reapers can't do that

 

ya, after playing the ME3 demo, for all the Reapers claim to be and how they claim to have done it so many times they don't seem very efficient at wiping out a planet's life and it sure takes a lot of them...

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Considering we're dealing with 2 different fictional universes within the same genre of Sci/fi-technology, which do you think looks more advanced?

 

Star Wars isn't (technically) Sci-Fi. It's Fantasy.

 

As stated before many times, in a battle between Fantasy and Sci-Fi, Fantasy wins because Sci-Fi is always at least distracted by the desire to appear realistic.

 

A Star Destroyer would easily destroy any ship in Mass Effect for a few simple reasons:

  1. It has weapons that can blow up asteroids
  2. It has shields that can stop weapons capable of blowing up asteroids
  3. It can continue to fight for hours without overheating

Assault troops might be more balanced, but the "magic" isn't really balanced either. Sure, the Mass Effect can create mini-singularities, but they are only barely capable of picking up large creatures. The Force can redirect entire starships from miles away. You can stun people with the Mass Effect. With the Force you can make them believe arbitrary things. The Mass Effect can allow you to fly. The Force can allow you to see the future.

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I don't know that SW technology is very good to measure against. If anything I think this is a pretty fair comparison given a lot of the similarities. But SW isnt really based in science. Its fantasy first. In that sense I'd give the edge to SW only because the logic of the universe is such that technology doesn't need a scientific basis. Anything can kinda be made to do anything.
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Star Wars isn't (technically) Sci-Fi. It's Fantasy.

 

As stated before many times, in a battle between Fantasy and Sci-Fi, Fantasy wins because Sci-Fi is always at least distracted by the desire to appear realistic.

 

A Star Destroyer would easily destroy any ship in Mass Effect for a few simple reasons:

  1. It has weapons that can blow up asteroids
  2. It has shields that can stop weapons capable of blowing up asteroids
  3. It can continue to fight for hours without overheating

Assault troops might be more balanced, but the "magic" isn't really balanced either. Sure, the Mass Effect can create mini-singularities, but they are only barely capable of picking up large creatures. The Force can redirect entire starships from miles away. You can stun people with the Mass Effect. With the Force you can make them believe arbitrary things. The Mass Effect can allow you to fly. The Force can allow you to see the future.

 

I agree with him.. they never take the time to explain any of the Star Wars technology in how it's constructed or how it works, it just does, isn't fair; if you could, Star Wars uses lasers... and plasma based melee weapons; technologically maybe Star Wars is superior, but I'd like to see a jedi deflect 1000 projectile rounds per minute flying towards different parts of their body... And dont say he'll just use a force push or something, if it was that simple, in comparison they would also be able to just crush the blaster in their enemy's hand that's firing the laser, opposed to deflecting it

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Ion drives require fuel just ike any other engine, especially for the purpose of quick accelartion and maneuvering

 

"No fuel as such"

 

Yes they require Ionised partical to accelerate but space is not empty and is filled with said particals that can be drawn in to provide that fuel, and yes ship would likely have a "reserve" store if for use if they need a quick increase in the speed or have few particals to take in.

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"No fuel as such"

 

Yes they require Ionised partical to accelerate but space is not empty and is filled with said particals that can be drawn in to provide that fuel, and yes ship would likely have a "reserve" store if for use if they need a quick increase in the speed or have few particals to take in.

 

as far as lore is concerned Ion engines require power and fuel just like any normal type of engine..... like Turbolasers, which lore-wise aren't really lasers, the names are misnomers...

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