Reality doesn't care what people believe. Beliefs do not change reality. We killed the bosses first on live, we are thus world first.
People who post on the forums represent a tiny fraction of players. Don't presume to speak for an entire community.
I could start telling you the whole history of the man kind that would disproove your point. But the thing is, no one really cares. Either for that or for progress. Guilds like yours killed it.