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12.18.2012 , 08:05 AM | #93
Quote: Originally Posted by Rayla_Felana View Post
Windu beat Sidious, Sidious beat Yoda.
ABC logic does not always work - you know that...... Dooku - Anakin - Obi Wan shows this

Mace's win vs Sidious was Very Circumstantial in my opinion (and probably due a bit to Samuel L Jackson's influence) - and I am not sure if Sidious orchestrated it or not....
Also this was due to the Vaapad ability to siphon the Darkside from the oponent to empower the user.

The novellisation clearly states that this was the deepest that Mace had ever delved into Vaapad and he was only able to go this far because Sidious was so powerful in the Darkside - with this he was only able to keep up with Sidious - it was only when Sidious slowed (pretty much when he sensed Anakin was approaching) that Mace was able to get an advantage... Also this use of Vaapad is Clearly Force bolstering NOT pure Bladework - Also by that same token do you think that Sidious brought all his Force power to bear when fighting Windu? - we can clearly see that he can multitask with telekinetics for example (not to mention all the secret knowledge that he collected) so he could have tried all kind of tricks and distractions if he really wanted to.

Yoda was able to keep up with Sidious under his own power - against Yoda, Mace would not be able to use the power Siphon so I think that Yoda would be able to push to levels that Mace wouldn't be able to keep up with....
To me it from what I have seen it seems that Yoda is held as the pinnacle of jedi lightsaber excellence - from what I can see it is Mainly Mace fans that perpetrate that Mace is better.....
Mace himself stated that to beat Dooku he would have to beat Dooku quickly otherwise the longer the fight may have gone on then HE himself gives the advantage to Dooku...... (from which you can extrapolate that Vapaad is a Very overwhelming style designed to kill quickly, but not build for longievity)
Yoda was able to Outlast Dooku and force him to flee......

Put it this way - if I was going to learn technical lightsaber work Forms I through to form VII -I would rather learn from Sidious or Yoda than Mace - to me they seem more technically excellent .... Mace seems to be a very Effective fighter due to overwhelming aggression and the somewhat Deus Ex Machina of Vaapad Darkside Siphon......

I would go as far to say That I would Give Obi Wan and Anakin a chance against Mace as well.....
Obi Wan could theoretically outlast him haveing one of the best defences Ever and a keen tactical mind (especially without Mace being able to power siphon)
Anakin (so often underrated) could Face him head on with Djem So (Anakin being its Greatest ever exponent) which is said to be the most dominating lightsaber form - it could blunt Mace's momentum and without Obi Wan's defence it could cause him problems - also Anakin's use of the Darkside (if he does use it) comes in bursts and is not sustained (or as powerful) as Sidious so it it hard to know how much of a boost Mace coould get from it (it may even catch Mace by surprise) which Anakin chopping off his arm shows that he can be....

And before people start to say that I am crazy and that Anakin stands NO Chance - the DVD Commentary said that Anakin was a 9 in lightsaber combat just as Mace is - so whatever you think Anakin IS a peer of Mace and most definitely stands a chance vs him.... (In fact if it were up to me I would have have Anakin block Mace's strike vs Sidious - duel for a bit - kill Mace in a rush of blood which would make an even more convincing fall to the Darkside)
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