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12.14.2012 , 09:20 AM | #8
Among other issues, one significant problem with both is the lack of a reliable threat dump. The Guardian has an on-damage threat dump, but that alone makes it somewhat unreliable. The Vanguard has none.

I've run with pyros and juggs, mostly guys coming straight out of PvP, and they can be very, very good, even when undergeared vis-a-vis other members of the ops group. They bring utility/damage increases that can be very helpful.

The threat issue raises its head on the most difficult content where every ounce of DPS needs to be squeezed out. Dumping threat on CD, or close to it, is the sign of good DPS and practically a requirement if your tank makes a mistake. Without that function, the classes just aren't what they could/should be.
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