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11.30.2012 , 10:33 AM | #317
Quote: Originally Posted by MasterMe View Post
Geez. I really didn't want to get back into this. But your tone is so annoying I couldn't resist.

1. No point in arguing here. If "wrapping up" my supposed "loose ends" make you feel better, then have fun.
2. He has so many ships dude. He's gonna be constantly monitering the planet. With his loose blockade, you're right, Traya could get a few guys out in a single shuttle. What does that accomplish here though? All Revan has to do is track the shuttle's hyperspace coordinates, follow the shuttle, and the BOOM!
3. We've been over this. Beni said that Traya has 0% of her fleet bro and Revan has 20% of his. This is extremely generous to Traya wether you like it or not.

So, with K-Canon in mind, Traya is on Malachor V with possibly 1 shuttle, while Revan is blockading the planet with 20% of his massive fleet. While this is happening, Revan will go to other planets and either loot them or take them over. Hell, he could take over the entire galaxy while Traya sits on Malachor. And I love it that you brought up the fact that Traya can leave Malachor, because if she does, she dies. With that in mind, it's not only likely that Revan would tie this Kaggath, but likely that Revan could win it. Seriously, if Traya leaves, she dies for so many reasons. If she stays, it's a draw. Even then, if she stays, she gives Revan time to conquer other worlds. This is time to develop new tech and weapons. Traya does not win this fight unless Revan makes a foolish attack on Malachor.

Remember the logic you guys used to say that Revan would lose? You said "Revan dies because the Kaggath rules force him to attack Malachor." Well guess what? If that's what the Kaggath rules do, then they also means that Traya has to fly right into Revan's fleet with her single shuttle. Both of these plans are suicide! So now the rule (which I've argued should be dropped for this exception - stalemate) dooms Traya just as much as it dooms Revan. I love it that you just beat your own argument there. Nicely done!

I hope Beni is still reading!
1. Happily.
2. Shuttles can lose their hyperspace trails quite nicely, also debris fields are very, very good for hiding and making escapes, but you seem to be unable to comprehend major canon occurences in Star Wars that make this so.
3. Beni shoe-horned the fight into Malachor 5 because you, among others, flopped around like fish out of water. I've only tried to explain why Traya's forces are superior as well as define the two main characters. And I'm not the one who wanted the fight at Malachor 5.

You assume too much. Why does she die, how does she die. She's able to blind herself to those around her, particularly those strong in the Force. And she's survived being shot down in a shuttle quite a few times.

Point out to me specifically where -I- said the rules of the kaggath dictate they must fight. And fighting an entire fleet with 1 shuttle is quite possible if you read my post. But given the post above me, you don't really get the MO of Force-devouring assassins....

*edit* hmmhmmhmm wouldn't want to hurt your feelings.

Oh, and one more thing for you to choke on:
I love the blind faith some people have in Revan, especially when he has been defeated several times in several ways. It's been said in this thread that Kreia spoke very highly of Revan, that he was stronger in the force than her, and that is true. But if we're taking her at her word, she also stated: "There are techniques within the force for which there are no defense". And then shortly proceeded to slay three of the greatest jedi masters with the teachings of Malachor 5. And that was with their guard up, lightsabers drawn, on Dantooine. I hate to say it... actually, I love to say it... but JK Revan meeting Darth Traya, Darth Traya in command of the ST, not Kreia, is assured defeat. That is a result of her construction as a character in the Star Wars universe.