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Aurbere
10.06.2012 , 12:53 PM | #5
Quote: Originally Posted by MasterMe View Post
Yes, I'm a fanboy. Get over it.

Alright, I've been reading posts for weeks concerning Revan, and I've heard so much BS I'm about to lose my mind. If you don't like Revan, that's cool. If you aren't interested in him, then there's nothing wrong with that. But what's not cool is when you say things concerning him that are simply not true. I'm going to defend Revan and explain why he ISN'T a pushover and why he could fight toe-to-toe with nearly anyone. What I'm about to say IS canon.

Here I will name several strengths of Revan:

1: He was one of the best lightsaber duelists of his day. And there were plenty of Jedi in his time, so this doubtlessly
means something.

2: He was an GREAT tactician. He turned the tide of the Mandolorian War the second he became a participent. Proof of this comes from Canderous Ordo. I don't want to chase down quotes, but basically a Mandolorian (these guys study warfare their whole lives) praised Revan's tactics several times. Revan was without a doubt a military genius. Also, I believe Kreia gave Revan some praise on this subject as well (not sure though).

3: He learned how to use the lightside very well in just a few weeks of training. Granted, this is partially due to the fact that he'd technically been trained before. But still this shows his understanding of the force was remarkeable. Kreia mentioned Revan's understanding of the force several times. She said looking at Revan was "like looking into the heart of the force."

4: At Revan's peak (which was after the Jedi Civil War) he used a combination of both the lightside and darkside of the force. This would have made him both very powerful AND unpredictable in a fight. Also, when Revan sees the mask that he had when he was a Sith, his memories came back to him, adding to his knowledge of the force, and accordingly adding to his power.

I know there are a few of you out there (Aurbere for example) who don't think it is possible to use both sides of the force. If one was to think about it, one would agree that using both sides of the force is impossoble. The thing is, the novel stated that Revan COULD used both sides of the force. So it doesn't matter what you think, it's CANON that Revan used both sides. You can ignore that if you want, but it's fact.

So with all of that in mind, Revan is a force to be reckoned with.

There was a thread discussing who would win in a free for all with Revan, Exar Kun, Vader, and Bane. First off, anyone could win this fight. These are all very powerful people. But to say that Revan wouldn't stand a chance, is absolutely ridiculous. In my OPINION Revan's got the upper hand in this fight. He's one of the more skilled duelists of this group, he uses botht sides of the force, making him very powerful and unpredictable, and he's the best and most tested tactician of this group. The other's weaknesses are this:

Vader is limited by his armor, like it or not. Yes he's more powerful then he was in ROTS but he'd be a LOT more powerful if he'd never lost with Obi-wan (am I the only one who loves Obi?)

Kun is cocky. He may be a better duelist the Revan, but Revan is a better force user and a better tactician then Kun.

I confess my knowledge of Bane isn't much, but I've never heard of him killing anyone noteworthy.

So that's that. One more thing: Aurbere stated that Darth Malgus could could beat Revan AND Malak with ease! You sir, are neglecting canon! Yes, Malgus could beat Malak, but no, he couldn't beat both them both in a million years! You could make a arguement that he could possibly beat Revan one-on-one, but even then, Malgus would be the underdog.

So that's what I think. If being a fan and admirer of a interesting/powerful guy makes me a ignorant/biased fanboy, so be it.
Wow! A thread directed towards me!? Never thought I'd see the day...
Alright, let's address these points you've made. Perhaps we can educate the misinformed.

1. You're a fanboy. Glad we agree.

2. Of his day, yes. But compare him to duelists of the future and he is outclassed.

3. He used Mandalorian tactics coupled with the Republic army and a very large number of Jedi to gain the victory. He did not create some uber-leet tactic that completely outwitted everyone.

4. In this case, learning to use the Force was like riding a bike. Because he had been previously trained in the Force, re-learning was pretty easy. And Kreia has a personal bias towards Revan, it's clear in the way she speaks. Plus she lies all the time so don't believe her.

5. What we have here is a misinterpretation of events. Revan did not use both sides. Goes against G-Canon in every way. What he did do was atain a brief moment of Oneness with the Force. The description bears many similarities to Jacen Solo's moment of Oneness. And no Revan will never be able to pull that off again. He's fallen too far.

My final point on the Malgus vs. Malak fight. Let me put it this way. In the Foundry Kallig, The Emperor's Wrath, The Grand Champion and Cipher Nine were not at there best and they beat Revan. (I'm gonna be honest, I was under-leveled and that fight was so easy.) Then Malgus goes rogue and it takes the four Imperial classes at their best to beat him. This is when Kallig has his ghosts (if Dark Side is canon), the Emperor's Wrath is at his full power (at this point) and the Grand Champion and Cipher Nine have access to the best equipment that they can get (along with refined battle experience). So it stands to reason that if it takes the four Imperial classes at full power to beat Malgus, when they were only roughly half that fight Revan, then Malgus could take Revan and Malak on at the same time and wreck them.

A thread made by yours truly shedding some light on Revan: http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=525649

EDIT: As to the thread title, I do respect Revan. I like Revan, but I will not lie about him just to make him seem cooler. In fact, the truth makes him seem like a dud.
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