Get over yourself. Blatant disrespect? Do you people live in some fantasy world? "Some sort of consequence"? Are we back to attempting to control/modify behavior to meet what you and your particular chronies consider to be the acceptable norm? Good luck with that, and I suggest the "ignore" button. Here's a hot news flash, it's the internet. We all don't hue to the same societal norms, and sometimes you're going to get your delicate feelings hurt by straight talk. It's both its blessing and its curse. Deal with it, embrace it, or pull the plug out of the wall. Parsing through these posts, what many seem to want is a closed loop community where they can attempt to impose their view of what is "right and proper" on the rest of the server...or there will be "some sort of consequence". Otherwise known as "controlling". Thanks for making my argument for me. Sieg Heil! right back at you.

What else would you call it? You want to restrict who I play with, for your own purposes, I'd call that "wanting to control me". You don't want to use a cross-server LFG tool...don't. It's just that easy. Do you people really think your server is going to be a nirvanah packed to the gills with nice people who think, act, and talk just like you? Each of whom is eaten up with concern that you might not think they're nice? That your opinion is going to force them to modify their behavior in order to gain your approval? I pay to play. Less time I spend standing around waiting for a group, the more time I have to play. Not coddle some people who got their manhood bruised in LFG when some kid with pimples told them "L2P Noob" and vote kicked them. Grow up, get over it, quit picking the scab or it'll never heal. And L2P. I could care less about this mythical "community" of which they jibberjabber about. Most of us can make friends and build our own "community", we don't need a captive audience to find people to play/associate with.

- It's a straight-up single player first person shooter with co-op play elements tacked on, not an MMORPG. As such, it's attracted a lot of...wait for it...solo players. - The leveling/solo bits are actually well done...everything else sucks desperately...see first point. - Those things the designers did do to encourage socialization either impede game play or are just plain annoying. - They included nothing with the exception of instances that requires or enhances "socialization". - Social points...who cares? - Sole tool for socialization or guilds is their really crappy and klunky chat system. - Everyone looks the same, dresses the same, has the same stuff more or less...no "cool stuff" to either show off or slobber over. It's like playing "Clone Wars". - Fleet is the main gathering point...I don't know about the rest of you, but Fleet depresses the heck out of me. - Socialize how, doing what? Stumps me...

Why? This is great fun, it's like watching a slow-motion train wreck. If this was a Roadrunner/Wiley E. Coyote cartoon, the safe is in mid-fall sloooooowly heading for the coyote's head, and he's looking up at it, knows it's coming. Meh, they took my money allotted for "entertainment" this month, I might well get something out of it. The REAL fun is going to come when all the investors and stockholders demand to know where all the years and big honking wads of money went. Heads will roll, blood will be in the streets, careers destroyed...real Wrath of God type stuff. Who sez SEC filings can't be fun?

I suspect the howls of anguish against it are from people who want/have to be carried...it's the digital version of tying a pork chop around their neck. Their idea of "building community" is "lots of people too polite to boot me for sucking desperately". Here, most server pops are so low and instances are so easy, even terminally clueless can get groups...they've got a pulse, a core temp higher than ambient, and people are just that desperate. Put in LFG, and the rest of us aren't stuck playing with people who refuse to learn their class and/or refuse to listen or learn. Make it cross-server, and they'll get no slack cut. Personally, I feel that the humbling experience of getting screamed at by a 12 YO to be a great motivator...when the 12 YO is right. It's the same people in a guild, who are constantly trying to get groups, with guildies going "umm, eer...I'm washing my toons hair, sorry". Same people, that when you try to help them set up their gear, go work with their rotation on the target dummies, walk them through instances (crawl/walk/run)...are always too busy to bother. Same people, that won't go farm mats or gold to buy the enchants or gems they need. But they expect "the community" to carry them through heroics and raids, because hey, they should have the same stuff the rest of us have...all without effort on their part. Isn't that what "the community" is for?

"So, yeah, as I said, I resubbed to WoW today. I didn't want to do it, and I'm not having the best time ever. But man oh man, after 7 years, Blizzard's game is still a more cutting-edge project than this stinker. What a shame." Ditto. There is something I liked about SWTOR...it made me re-appreciate WoW.

That's not cynical, that's realistic. Refusing to include macros in the game while simultaneously marketing an expensive hardware solution is just mealy-mouthed hypocrisy.

LOL, "no macros!" in the actual game for casual players, but they're marketing an official hardware solution...that's really "sticking to their principles". Personally, I'd call forking out an additional $3-400 a "barrier to entry". Of course, the fanboys won't see it that way.

Everything.

Trend here, is the people singing the games praises typically haven't made it to 50 after 3 months game play, and think they deserve a cookie for playing a game at a far slower pace than the typical 20-25 hours per week. They think BW deserves a cookie for producing a game without enough quality content to satisfy even the industry standard casual player. They haven't stared the tedium that is 50 down the throat and went "aw crap". Or they're on one of the few servers with decent pops, and just can't fathom the reality of being on a lightly populated server...where we are trapped by BWs poor decisions. They don't PvP or raid, and actively sneer at people that do. They don't get it, when told that the raids are broken, that PvP is broken, and the dailies are wrist-slitting boring. Doesn't impact them, and never will. They don't understand the concept that players generally only jump through repetitive hoops if theres a "reward" in it of some kind, whether it's gear or character development. Going by MMORPG demographics, BW has managed to put out a game that only appeals to roughly 5% of the gaming market, the casual "serial re-roller" who has no connection to their character, and no real desire to develop that character...in a game that supposedly centers around storyline. Sounds like a winner to me too!

"We need to wait and suffer but support the game for our children in future" I agree 100%, actually, I feel pretty noble about the suffering and sacrifice we're going through here. That said, I have a concept for a really neat game. Send me $120 now, and $15 a month for the rest of your life...your kids will love you for it. LOL..."Dad, what about my college money?"..."Shaddup son, and play your computer game, I suffered and sweated blood to get that for you"...

No. Sadly, wanted to like it, actually did (mostly) like leveling my first toon. The issues with the game are so deep and pervasive, in so many different areas, no amount of ad hoc patching is going to fix it...at this late date, they're not, for example, going to replace their freeware game engine with one that actually works as advertised. Hopeless, and patch 1.2 is most probably going to be on par with putting a bandaid on a gaping, sucking chest wound. End of day, it's an extremely unfinished and unpolished beta of a single-player FPS that has some limited co-op play elements...not an MMORPG. In 6-12 months...it might be worth re-visiting, but by then it's going to be hopelessly dated, if it survives. Which it might. It's Star Wars, and it's not more <bleeping> elves, dwarves, and trolls. "there's a good game in there somewhere" What he said. Seriously, I don't think ANYONE on the SWTOR team actually games.

"Still has issues" ROFLMAO...yet they went right ahead and knowingly sold their product to us, without mentioning that it "had issues". Effectively, our "newborn infant" has Downs Syndrome. Their fixes to date consist of removing the high end textures used to market their product prior to release , whilst telling us "oh, you don't understand, the HIGH button was an error". Next fix in the que, is telling us that they're going to add a switch so people can use super duper LOW quality textures to help performance. They advertised a Porche. We test drove a Porche. With racing stripes and one of those cool looking air thingies on the trunk. But when we got it home and popped the hood, it had an engine ripped from a Ford Pinto stuffed under the hood, and the dealer had ripped all the fancy options and spiffy comfort items out. So here we are. With an "MMO" that you can't get more than half a dozen people together without the engine hacking up hairballs, with texture quality comparable to 10 YO games. An MMO game that has zero community/guild functions, zero grouping tools, zero anything to be able to use the term "MMO" in conjunction with the game. But we're supposed to be nice. We're supposed to be patient. But most importantly, we're supposed to continue to send them 'mo, 'mo, 'MO of our hard earned money. Get a grip, they spent 5+ years on this turkey, knowingly sold it to us as is, and a few months is going to make everything A-OK? But hey, the single player game isn't all that bad. We can level our toons in solitary splendor...then turn right around and DO IT AGAIN! And did I mention, we can have SEX with our imaginary e-companions! Woohoo!!!

Why kill more electrons?

Somewhere buried in the forum is a thread by a guy who solo'd the gem mini-boss. Last time I looked, 3/4 the posts are attacking him more or less for daring to excel...amazing. Read through the forums, there's a couple common themes emerging...anyone who isn't a "casual" can just leave. PvPers...not wanted. Raiders...not wanted. "Hardcores"...not wanted. End game players...not wanted. In short, anyone who isn't a self-proclaimed casual player who wants to endlessly roll alts in what then effectively becomes a single-player first person shooter with cartoon e-companions (with romance!) and a monthly sub fee...can just leave. Doesn't leave much of a player base. In any case, I suspect they're soon going to get their wish.