The XW and TF games were great for the story and the ambiance. When you consider the actual quality of play available, it was really pretty crappy compared to what you can get in GSF. There was almost no class variation in craft compared to what you get in GSF, and fights devolved into endless circle turns with minor throttle adjustments and basically no comparable reset to GSF's engine cooldowns. If you could somehow manually manage a maneuver like K-turn or P-dive within the flight model, that'd be one thing, but you couldn't. Of course, the people that want "pure dogfighting" on these forums seem to actually just want the endless circle turning fest that XvT offered, so maybe I shouldn't be too surprised.