Back when I did KDY a lot, I'd see many a ranged dps set up shop at a kolto station during robot boss. And never, ever use it. Not just near it, but on it. Let's see if I can remember this DF GF story. It mainly involved a Mara, a Healer, and an Off-Tank. And a Hero-Merc. First, me: I didn't have a ship, or travel terminal unlocked for Oricon. Said I had no way (so I thought) of getting there w/o summons, and nobody summoned. So I just moseyed around fleet, even while ppl were fighting trash and the Mara was saying "Let's go, everyone's here". Then I realized I could buy priority travel . The Mara also noticed Hero-Merc wearing a mask. Mara: "Hey Hero-Merc, where did you get the mask?" Hero-Merc: "Secret boss in SnV" Mara: "Can you show me after?" Hero-Merc: "Can't" Mara: "Why?" Hero-Merc: "Requires nim & competence" Mara: "Rude." Then, the RL could not remember roles. Healer joined, and confusion about their role persisted up until Nefra. People kept insisting she was here for both roles. RL: "Healer, what's your role?" Healer: "Heals, but I can dps." Mara: "Healer is not heals, she has dps set, not heal set and 100% accuracy" Hero-Merc: "She's got heal set and 0 accuracy..." This Mara also brought the Off-Tank. We get to Nefra, I get in place. Off-Tank pulls, no /rc, nothing. I taunt from my position, but he taunts back. And instead of doing the usual things tanks do, he runs to the group and exposes them all to cleave. We wipe. Round 2, instructions to stack on me were given. We pull, but Off-Tank is a fidgeter and keeps advancing forward as he attacks, thereby driving Nefra back towards the group. He dies in transition while alone, so I taunt, and Hero-Merc is already standing on top of me. She goes down. I could've kept her taunted I guess, but I don't want to work that hard, and sometimes I like to watch funny things happen. Then we get to Draxus, and just after I tell Off-Tank to stand in 1 spot and hold Draxus, and while people are still running over... Mara does a DST at him. That was the end. No telling what joys awaited us deeper in the fortress.

I get where you're coming from, although I'd be careful about faulting them for not typing 'hi' and saying 'ty' at the end. Many people are there strictly for xp or cxp, not for a group flashpoint experience. I'd be much more critical of their actual playing behavior. Example being someone who speed rushes ahead of the group and starts combat on their own and forcing the rest of the group catch up with in-combat run speed. It does make me laugh when the group is quick and efficient, but someone still HAS to be first to a mob or dialogue station. Uh oh I used a roll and my toon is getting close to yours, better rocket boost so I don't catch up.

I feel like I'm doing more "clarifying" than "complaining". You may see that as the same thing, but it really isn't. There are people who aren't aware of the real issues behind the complaints (or are happily ignorant about them), and I won't stop "clarifying" until I get tired of repeating myself. And I'm happy that the game's new direction doesn't bother you as much as it bothers others. I can assure you that when the time comes where you have a legitimate complaint, I won't be telling you to stop. I rarely pvp, but I haven't once thought to myself that the pvpers should stop complaining about maps/balance issues. And I think every possible question about new ops / pvp stuff has been asked before. Haven't heard a thing back.

For the record, I haven't personally created a new post bashing the live stream and screaming about rewards. But when I see people say, "Lol why are people complaining, shut up and enjoy the game or quit", I feel compelled to respond. And I've responded civilly, so I don't understand how you want me to take it down a few notches. Please don't confuse a sincere attempt at an explanation as an emotional rant. Ops aren't "gone" or "removed", but there is nothing new. Rav/Tos released December 2014, and people estimate new ops will be here anywhere from August to October 2016. That's a long time to wait for people who play for ops. Yes, we knew about this before 4.0. But many people stayed anyway to check out the story, hoping for at least SOME news about ops. Ops have always been part of swtor... why did it stop? "To address Elder Game issues" they say. How is this working now? Is there any news at all? We could just not complain at all and leave, but I love this game and I don't want to stop playing. And surely BW doesn't want to lose us as subs.

Welllll, I wanted that guy to respond, but oh well. #2 I aimed at Operations, and I'll admit I didn't word this in the best way. But what I mean is, up until now, BW has provided both Story and other Endgame content (ops in this case). With KotFE there are no new ops. So they aren't actually removing anything, but what some people enjoyed about this game is suddenly gone. #3 was aimed at pvp. My point is, we all play this game for a reason, and when the game no longer provides it, you get upset. People get upset and they complain, or simply move on. And those who complain obviously still want to play the game. Someone may play for story, flashpoints, pvp, ops, collecting.. any of these and more, by itself or in combination. But take that away and you take that person's enjoyment away. Those who are here for story are pretty safe in this regard, because there will always be story associated with Star Wars. But there are other people here for other reasons. And anyone who automatically dismissing them as complainers and babies doesn't understand the issue or is just being selfish.

Questions: 1) What do YOU enjoy about the game. Specifically. Story, Flashpoints, etc...? 2) How would you feel if they took one of those away? 3) How would you feel if no new story was released after the 1-50 quests?

Wat o_O. <Zorz> quit the game because there was nothing left for them to do. The same is happening now to many guilds that have completed all nims and hms. They are merging raid teams to fill holes and even have to search for new talent. And these guilds have completed all the hard stuff without being in full 224s.

Please see this comment regarding the BW poll: http://www.swtor.com/community/showpost.php?p=8674677&postcount=519

Don't flame me for this, but whenever I see someone post with a female avatar, they are usually so calm. And yeah, I've seen your argument a lot. Live stream was about the sub reward announcement, why did we go there expecting them to mention anything else? I'm gonna paste something to this that I wrote in another thread and someone else's addition to it: http://www.swtor.com/community/showpost.php?p=8677319&postcount=650 In short: • ops/pvp have always been requested. • lack of communication / information from devs leaves our questions unanswered. We are always thinking about them, and will ask when we get the rare chance to. You wouldn't miss the play-as-HK if the devs hadn't said anything about it. I'm not sure who actually wished for one before the announcement, but those who say, "Now that you mention it, I WOULD like to play as HK" don't count. And besides, you already have an HK companion available to you. Adding another HK to your fleet of companions is no big deal. OTOH, as I said, people want new ops. People want more pvp. And we ask for this all. the. time. No one's asking for "more" or "something else", just the *same stuff they've always given us": endgame content. And for the record, my initial like 2 posts were aimed at the OP, who seemed to think people were complaining because of Entitlement issues, which is incorrect.

Some people complain because they've invested so much into a game they love to play, and suddenly the thing that got them hooked stops getting made (ops). No one's asking for anything extra. Nobody asked for a playable HK mission. Pvp people have always wanted pvp stuff and have asked for it forever. Pve people want new ops, which were always provided with the game. The thing about companion strength is that they never took away from the game. A lot of people say they don't do ops/pvp because they want something casual to do while they relax at home. Companions helped with that, even if they were overpowered. We have to look at what people are asking for, and not just focus on the whining aspect. Companions nerfs took something away from the game: quick heroics, very casual gameplay. I tried a heroic SF after the nerf and I beat it without Alliance buffs, but with more difficulty than I expect a very casual player to care for. I'm not one to say, "You know, I got what *I* want, I'm happy and everyone else can just unsub if they're not happy". That's ridiculous. I didn't do heroic SF beyond my first char except when I tried it after the nerf, just to see if what people were saying was true. And it was, companions were extremely nerfed. Similarly, what people are asking for now is not taking away from the game, but the same stuff we've always had that they stopped providing. They gave us an addition to the swtor story, but nothing else. KotFE story is great, no doubt. But a large reason why this game was considered a flop at launch was because there was nothing to do AFTER the story. We have rehashed ops, but everyone's done 'em all already. We're not asking for the world, just the same kind of content they've always given us.

This live stream was about the sub rewards yes. But people were upset about no new ops long before this announcement. There are other issues too like pvp, class balance, bugs, etc... that have been around for a long time. Why I think people got angry was because we realized that it wasn't a reward for current subs (no entitlement going on here) but rather an incentive for new subs. Also, yes, communication is not at the level a lot of people think it should be at. We've asked on forums and at cantina events about stuff like new ops, with no information other than "not with KotFE". So when we actually have a chance to see the Devs and communicate via a light speed twitch chat, we kind of hope for / expect a little bit more general information about the overall direction of the game.

You're lumping anyone who complains about lack of content (which started WAY before this latest live stream) into this tiny fraction of people who are upset about the reward.

It's not about the rewards. Seriously, READ THE OTHER THREADS.

That's story content. There's always been more than story. Seriously, read the other threads.

If you'd bother to read the threads or understand the issue better, you'd realize that's it not about getting a "reward" or not. No one asked for it. That's not the issue.