Social convention makes the most sense to me. Basically you're in whatever position you would be in if you were physically present with the person you're talking to. Reporting in/getting a briefing? Standing. In a long meeting, like the jedi council? Sitting.

Current word from the PTS is that REing social gear is not giving a schematic. So no

That doesn't seem right, because not everyone is going to be at the same point in their story at the same level. And heck, they might even go through multiple parts of the story at without changing level. Most likely this is just a bug. I definitely noticed this on my JK: I did a few missions on Taris, but then my loading screen story put me on Nar Shadaa.

Hmm, thinking about it I guess I can see the reasoning. Specifically how to deal with the required social level on the remade item (strip it, and why would anyone buy it from the vendor then? Keep it and it'll be the first craftable that has a social requirement). Also possible they don't want it to be available off the planet of origin. Still makes me sad, though.

The continued viability of Cybertech comes from this sentence in the blog post: Mods from tier 2 end game items may now be extracted and researched. This means that a raiding cybertech can now make and (I assume) sell t2 Mods. Slightly better than vendor, eh?

Ah, fair enough, but even there it's not quite as bad as all that, since you'll only be able to get the mods and enhancements. The armoring (which is what gives the set bonuses) will not be schematicable.

It seems wrong because it is wrong. The orange version of the T2 armor will (like all other crafted oranges) be an empty shell. You can get the LOOK of the best gear in the game, true, but in order to get the actual stats you need to actually do the raid.

Or, you could get the crit-orange version of the tier 2 armor, since mechs can make those now as well. You are then exactly where you were before except with an extra augment slot. How much is ekeing out every bit of performance via that extra slot worth to you?

Speaking solely for myself (and really, who else could I speak for?) I'm fine with any given piece of orange armor being rarely seen, as long as there exists the POSSIBILITY for it. It costs millions of credits to look the way you want? That's still better than not being available at any price. It then just becomes a matter of exactly what value you put on your look.

Based on the latest Blog Post, I hereby withdraw my objection to the lack of an Augmentation Device. As long as you can RE any modifiable item into a schematic (though it better be w/100% chance :glare: ) then you don't need an AD.

I think you're vastly overestimating how much crit crafted gear will go for. Just remember that you can make orange items at level 10 that use lvl 1 or 2 materials. If the price got much beyond 10s of thousands of credits he hardcore min-maxers are going to just take an afternoon to level up an alt and make it themselves. The higher prices will go to items that actually look good and with my plan THAT DOESN'T CHANGE. Explain to me how my proposal prevents you from making armor/weapons for end game consumption? Like I said, the very fact that oranges are relevant at end game gives you a reason to stay in the profession, and that's not even touching on the ability to make your own copies of tiered raid gear. You want crit-crafts to be worth something? Fine, make the Augment Item use lots of expensive components. Bam, now the crit craft orange price = regular orange price + augment item price. You win by being able to sell stuff to end gamers, end gamers win just by being able to have augmented stuff, and fluffy players of both types win by being able to use whatever armor they think looks best on them.

With all due respect, last I checked, no one forces you to sink time or money into crafting professions. I understand that you did, and should be able to get SOMETHING out of it, and look, now oranges are useful at end game! And making the augment item be a level 400 gives you a nice boost that you can't just swap over to when you're bored. But beyond that? Again, not trying to be confrontational, but you knew what you were getting. If you spent tons of credits even after hitting level cap and seeing nothing useful, well then obviously it was worth it to you, even without this change. Yes, it's less than you were told, but it's still more than you have. Heck, it's more than was even hinted at when the game was launched and you decided to become and stay a crafter. It's like saying "I only won 100 bucks in the lottery instead of $300 million." As for the free rider problem, there's nothing stopping people from doing that with the current proposal. There are orange items that you can get as early as your teens, if someone's going to level an alt to get around you there's nothing you can do to stop them. Are you really any better off if, instead of selling normal oranges for X, you can instead sell a crit-crafted orange for 10X and normal oranges for 0? If you have as diverse a selection of recipes as you imply, then use it! Not everyone's going to want the same set, make all the different types of orange that you can and sell to any portion of the market instead of just part of it. And they'll buy it because even with a separate augment item ORANGES ARE USEFUL AT END GAME NOW.

People are saying that having a separate item to add an augment slot removes people's incentives to create crit-crafted oranges. To which I reply: So? It's not like there's CURRENTLY a reason to crit-craft oranges, so it's not like you're losing anything. The only thing that would change is that you wouldn't need to throw away 9 non-crits for every 1 crit that you got. Think of it as a nice little 'hey, now I don't have to spend extra materials to give this piece an augment slot' bonus. It also solves the issue of how to deal with mission reward/random drop/social oranges. Everybody wins!

I'm just curious if they will add new orange recipes in 1.2 so that you can be fully outfitted in crafted oranges, instead of now where (as far as I can tell) you can only craft your head, body, and leg armors. Has it been mentioned officially or are people just assuming it?

Oh, so they changed it from when http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=309476 was current? Neat, I've been wanting to be able to craft more oranges.