I think its obvious to even the casual observer that PvP will die a floundering death after the update. BW CLEARLY doesnt care about balance or their own metrics. Its a mini game to them. Its Pazaak or podracing. Theres no point in coming here and venting your frustrations. The devs dont care. Theyve proven it more and more with each xpac that PvP is a side project to them and this one will be no different. The same trio will be clearly heads and shoulder above the rest. The rest of the classes will be given rehashed abilities or largely useless ones. Its not an environment for any sort of competitive PvP...unless you play the preordained holy triad. Im ok with it. Acceptance is the final stage of grief. Ive accepted it. I wish everyone else would do the same. So congrats forum warriors! Your wish has come true and you have cut your nose off to spite your face.

Just root the operative... Oh you mean when he has his practically constant dodge/evasion up or the fact that as he rolls he has dodge/evasion up? You mean that root?

Apparently the Sith dogs have gone to ground. The Darth is dead!!!

Funny how they can track this yet when Hard Modes weren't counting towards the weekly and my group sent tickets in, we were told that they cannot track these or the loot drops. Funny how when Ilum was being exploited and the Imperials SIGNIFICANTLY widened the PvP gear gap that ruined PvP for months (Battlemaster, RNG etc etc) not a thing was done. That was far more egregious IMHO because it affected EVERYONE on a PvP server. What were we told then? They had no way of tracking it and there would be no roll back. Even with screenshots with clearly visible names, they said they couldn't do anything because it couldn't be verified. SO NOW all of a sudden, they can use NSA spy techniques and track everything? I don't think that they're only now able to do it, I just think now they're WILLING to do it, and that's pathetic. I'm pretty sure a lot of people are watching how BW handles this and they may find a lot fewer subs on the books come Wednesday morning that left willingly.

And as I said earlier, if you made a profit from it in any way, you should be punished. If you charged for the lockout or sold mats or grossly underpriced gear (which in all honesty, how can you put a market value on imaginary items? People will sell it for what they wish. Stamping your feet and screaming that someone is undercutting you is kind of silly. People can sell it for whatever they like but I see your point.) on the GTN then there should be a punishment up to and including a permanent ban if you are a repeat offender. But the guy that did it once and has never had an issue in the past? A short term suspension is more than appropriate.

"thieving bastards" Who did they steal from? You? The "exploit" gives no advantage over another PLAYER entity other than to maybe bruise your e-peen ego of "We got it and you dont!". Meh. Whatever.

Someone earlier in the thread blasted DPS for having 50k HP or so? 192 gear isn't difficult to get and aug. If you run Ops and do your dailies and weeklies, 192 gear isn't some monumental achievement that can only be accomplished by an exploit so why take that gear away from someone that earned it? Furthermore, who is complaining about this? Why are people complaining about this? It doesn't affect anyone really. I don't see a guy running around with a 198 chest and start screaming and frothing like Yosemite Sam. I think "Oh. Cool. 198." and go on my merry way. Its. A. Game. If this is all you people have time to worry about then I feel sorry for you. Just because you want to swing your e-peen around and say "I have this and you don't!" is no reason to demand some sort of social uprising. If its that game breaking (Which honestly, I don't see how it affects anyone. They didnt take it out of your inventory or ninja it from you. If it is all about the achievement as so many of you make it out to be then shouldn't the achievement in your tracker be enough to show everyone how awesome you are?) then BW should remove the ill gotten gains and let it go at that. This isn't an bug that gives anyone an advantage over another player. The difference may be if that player sold an item to someone or broke the market. Id be more inclined to punish that player because they made some in game financial gain from it.

I love the fact that everyone that all for this new idea is in a large guild capable of pulling 16 people together with ease. Must look nice up there on your high horse. Please, continue to explain how allowing players to actually gear up and play the game adversely affects you. You people are as bad as the elitist PvPers. Smaller guilds deserve the right to play the game as well and to be geared. How many times have you groaned when your group finder matches a 21k sentinel with you? Oh wait. You don't because you don't use the GF function the way it was intended either. I'm sure you guys in larger guilds ALWAYS PUG and help gear other people right? First conquests were tailor made for the 200 person mega guild and now this? GJ Bioware. I'm sure your player base will expand exponentially now.

Did you actually READ the quote that you quoted? Smaller guilds try to group with other guilds or use GF but it takes so painfully long that people get fed up and leave. Play times can also be a factor. Not everyone plays at peak hours so is their sub worth less than yours? I cant believe someone is actually defending removal of game content.

/sign PLEASE explain the logic of this decision. So are we only catering to the mega guilds? IS that what BW is saying? You only want larger guils to be able to enjoy the content? How does leaving 8 man ops hurt the game? I truly hope this is an error and not an intended game feature.

Why do they even HAVE OH/MH specific orange weapons? Just make them equippable in both slots.

/sign

Honestly, EA/Bioware could take serious lessons from CCP, the developer of Eve Online. While the game is complex and utterly maddening, CCP is VERY active with their players going so far as to hire dedicated and long time players to work for them. They give a live video feed to the their developers meetings and have some of the best in-game GMs and CSM's Ive ever seen for an online game. It will be said "Well that game is smaller." and I would agree. However, Im not sure why someone from customer relations or the dev team cant log in to look at the forums and maybe ask those that arent trolls about how to make the game better.

Kettle, while I respect you as a player most of the time I believe youre way off base here. I think youre just a tad upset that you cant stun/pull/puddleofgoo slingers and snipers from afar anymore. Slinger/Sniper is regarded by most people to be the most well-balanced classes in the game with a higher skill cap than most as well. PT and smask monkies arent exactly rockey surgery ya know? Some people actually like a challenge to their play. The only way a smash monkey or Pyro PT cant be successful is if they forget to moisturize before they roll their faces across the keyboard. Sniper and slingers are PURE dps. We have no real team utility when compared to even other dps classes. You, on your PT, have pulls and taunts. Sents/Marauders (which you also play) have signicant team buffs as well to the point where most rated teams have one Carnage/Combat player on their teams. Slingers and snipers bring dps pressure and some decent cc and really, most people are ok with it. Youre a hell of a player and no one likes to see you come running at them. To the OP, you must be interrupting the wrong stuff. Pay closer attention to the type of heal youre trying to disrupt and just keep the pressure on the heals. If theyre keeping themselves alive, theyre not keeping their team alive.

So how long until they change the Outlaw "Duster"? Its a tee shirt, not a duster at all. Food for thought! Discuss.