hmmm after reading all your post, i when back to try and realize that pacify works quite well with elite however it is not really that significant and i felt that popping other abilities to kill of the elite faster seems to be a much better choice then to select pacify. . .however if you are fighting incoming numbers of mob and trying to stay alive, pacify seems to be very useful trans - ha ha i tried and still find that it's useless in compare to zen opp strike - ha ha, useless as well (in my view, had to combine with the right skill to be able to use) _____________________________________________________________________________ forget to mention, i played in rp-pve(watchman spec), however i do everything from pvp to warzone