Still too early to call, theyre bound to make adjustments before it goes live. Anyways thanks for writing this, I just got my first alt to 50 and want to make sure I gear him well, would you mind finishing the gearing section or at least make some general notes? What are your thoughts on crit vs power and alacrity vs surge in pvp healing? Thanks!

sry my partner hasnt been on all night, will u guys be available again tomorrow and/or friday?

will look for you tonight, hopefully we can sneak our match in before our raid. How late do you typically stay on?

scold - we havent been able to get in touch with 'two dudes one railshot' or catch either of them online, I sent ingame mail to Rhaffus since the day before round 2 began but havent gotten anything back. Can't send mail to the other guy. I know the deadline was yesterday, so not sure what you want us to do from here You play the winner of our match with two dudes one railshot, but...see above lol

To 'Two Dudes One Railshot' (Rhaffus/Kreytor) pls respond to my ingame mail when you can (except Kreytor I can't send ingame mail to you, are u f2p?) or post here or send me a PM on this site so we can set a time. Haven't been able to catch either of you on. We're mainly on Hoken and Tahu'ktak. Thx!

just a quick update from tahuken: Trying to hunt down our 2nd match of the first round, I sent an ingame mail to Rhaffus but didnt let me send to Kreytor (F2P?). Not sure if we have extra days as well or if we've been DQ'd, but will keep an eye out for them either way.

pretty sure that was you

Sorry to hear about your son, hope he gets better

I saw him on over the weekend. Asked if he was okay with coming on tonight for the match but haven't seen him Let us know if you're gonna find a replacement, my partner is going on vacation wednesday so we would have to try and squeeze it in Tuesday (2/5) night.

Tahuken: Tahu'ktak (sin) + Hoken (jugg)

I didn't know any better then, but putting my positioning in that fight aside, any other tanks happen to see something similar? It'd be at least good to know so we dont waste an ability stacking the two together, especially since Saber Ward is on such a long CD.

Was just digging thru my logs and noticed something strange…during tantrum phase of tfb sm I had activated Saber Ward, then Force Scream (proccing a Sonic Barrier), at this point it looks like the next attack is absorbed by Sonic Barrier (shown as 1001 absorbed) but even though Saber Ward is active, the 25% reduction (which seems to show up also as absorbed amount) has no effect. It's not until the second and third attack on me that I can see Saber Ward's effect (1686 absorbed). Log snippet here (non-related lines cut out): Hoken activates Saber Ward. Hoken gains Blade Turning. Hoken gains Saber Ward. Hoken activates Force Scream. Hoken gains Sonic Barrier. Hoken loses Sonic Barrier. The Terror From Beyond's Phasic Spittle hits Hoken for 6747 kinetic damage, causing 6747 threat. (1001 absorbed) Hoken loses Blade Turning. The Terror From Beyond's Phasic Spittle hits Hoken for 6747 kinetic damage, causing 6747 threat. (1686 absorbed) The Terror From Beyond's Phasic Spittle hits Hoken for 6747 kinetic damage, causing 6747 threat. (1686 absorbed) From this it seems that if both Sonic Barrier and Saber Ward are present, the 25% from Saber Ward is sidelined and only the absorption amount from Sonic Barrier takes effect? Is this intended? Or am I missing something? This would be huge in terms of how I manage rotation during burn phases. Although admittedly this log is from almost a month ago so if it's a bug that was fixed, just go ahead and ignore this

While I don't disagree our ceiling is apparently lower than other classes (see Mauull's parse vs someone like Vexo), we shouldn't use that as an excuse to stop trying (see Mauull). You really have to like the class and put effort into it, case in point I've been spending a lot of time bashing my head on torparse, I'm still only in about half 27s but I went from barely hitting 1700 to consistently 1800+ parses. Here's one example. Still need to figure out what to tweak next (actually if you see this Mauull and feeling generous could use a few pointers!) but I love the class, is my only 50, and I'll continue pushing out the dps that nobody thinks juggs can do (and listening to their stunned silence after they see mox is always nice ). fyi - he has posted several others parses over 1900+ that don't happen after NiM Pilgrim

Not sure which torparse you're lookin at, but he's pretty much the only jugg if not 1 of 2 only juggs in most parses. By most parses I mean EC and TFB HM/NiM, don't rly care about the rest and I doubt he does either lol.

thanks a lot for sharing that! Awesome discussions here guys keep it up I noticed the scream on CD from his parse as well, and it makes a lot of sense. When used correctly force scream is virtually an auto-crit so its one of our most consistent dmging attacks (as opposed to many others that seem pretty crit reliant). Scream is also a rage generator too after leap (if spec'd) so that's a nice bonus too I'm also interested in his rotation when ravage doesn't proc, it seems like that's when he uses Force Charge the most since we do eventually run out of force. Still trying to figure out how he got away with only 10 smashes in a 7min parse, I find myself using it quite a bit, not sure if that's good or not. But at least I'm making improvements, at first I was pulling higher using Rage with little effort, last week I was finally consistently pulling higher as Veng. I'm able to break 1800 at least half of the time now on the dummy which is awesome, gonna keep tweaking my rotation and bashing my head on torparse until I figure out how to push every ounce of dps out of veng because its way more fun than Rage