thank you for reminding me about that awesome little counter. 8wins and 184medals earned. a LOT of those are from losses

I belive there is an adrenal for that. It boosts your healing by 50% if i remember properly. takes away dmg but if you are using a healing cd why would you be trying to do dmg.

Edit:double post

I have the war hero title. going from costing a couple of comidations that you can collect from heavy pvping and trading in for bags/doing weeklies to having to do over 90 matches (winning everyone mind you) for your weapon? that is a HUGE swing in the opposite direction. to put this in perspective that is 270000 Valor assuming you only get 3k valor a match. thats close to 1-3 valor ranks per piece of gear you get. by the time you get all the gear you need/want you will be to rank 80+ that is a lot of pvp even with the boosts to the valor you can get.

Did anyone happen to mention you need somewhere between 3000 to 9000 WZ coms to get the new pvp gear depending on the piece. not counting the ones you needed for the BM gear. i don't care who you are. Thats a lot of pvp for one piece for a system that just went from handing pieces out at a decent rate with a little luck involved.

you must be pro being able to use crushing darkness in dark charge.... Edit. My bad didn't notice someone necrod the thread.

First off i am a HUGE advocate when it comes to madness. i played it from 10-25 in the beta and 1-50 live. it is hands down the most versatile of the 3 specs with darkness a very very close 2nd. use lightning charge to tab dot large groups then pick a healer and burst them down. If you do not use maul in madness you are wrong.(i saw a 4300 crit today.) my current spec is 5/5/31. my death field crits for over 3k on the regular and 4k if i pop adrenal and trinket with recklessness. Just like with deception you have to time your attacks for the most dmg. Get that expertise buff as much as possible and you will rule the war zone. There are very few people i play against on my server that scare me or that i worry about. i regularly do 300k+dmg and 10k+defense and 20k+ heals. With any spec or class you just have to know what you are doing. As madness you will never have someone get away from you without blowing cds all over the place. Sure you have sustained dps on healers and sometimes their crits can be nasty and put you back where you started. Just make sure you use vanish in conjunction with spike to interrupt along with jolt and electrocute to keep them from overwhelming you but keep in mind if they are healing themselves they are not healing the ball carrier or anyone else for that matter. Madness requires some serious gear to start in a WZ so deception or darkness may be your best bet if you are still gearing up. Once you get that gear you are a force to be reckoned with.

what is your gear like if you are only critting 3.5k as deception? Are you proc watching and poping relics/adrenals when everything lines up for a kill? Do you seek out the expertise buffs whenever you can to keep up your dmg? Do you use your interupts effectivly? Do you use spike as a dmg CD as well as a interrupt? Do you use the proper rotation? vs,vs, maul?>shock,discharge I hate the deception tree due to its simplicity of play style but respect it due to the skill that is needed to play it at a pro level. If you are having issues with the spec i suggest more research into it.

due to my ability to not care about grammar or spelling i can help you sir!! IF you wish to turn survivor gear to a dps tank set. i would start by switching our ALL you MODS to hi power mods. ENHANCEMENTS should be change to crit/surge tho it looks like in the upcoming patch they will be having power/surge on our BM gear ( THANK YOU SO MUCH YOU SEXY BIOWARE BEASTS.). if you have orange gear i would make your armoring into the hi willpower ones. Also never be afraid to sub in columi/rekata gear(that **** is good). Personally i would take the tank 2set bonus and the stalker 2 set bonus and grab any and every talent i possibly could that is a cc and make any person who grabs my ire a sobbing little girl who just wants to use their abilities like a real PC character. hope i got the meaning of what you were trying to ask. If not clarify your question a little bit and i will gladly come back and see what i can do to help. EDIT: http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#200rIbsz0skZZf0cRrMz.1 is the spec i would choose personally if i ever chose to make a darkness pvp dps/tank because i would go for an off kilter tank that does what he is supposed to while being able to dmg with thrash/deathfield/raze/shock to keep those who "might" get heals. with this spec you find their good healer and lock them out of everything they ever wanted to do.

i leveled as madness the whole way from 10-50 and i currently use the spec i ended up with when i hit 50(never had to modify my spec) this mostly comes from the fact that the spec is called madness and i saw that death field is a 3 target AoE that deals internal dmg(hard to mitigate) AND has a 30 yd range not to mention creeping terror also having it. My "rotation" tho i would call this a priority system just like an enhance shaman. with all cds up and approaching a target i normally do 30yd=creeping terror(keeps them still and lets you find the best positioning to hit someone else as well), death field as i advance, discharge, shock, thrash then raze when it procs. I don't sit and look at the "perfect rotation" and madness has a very open end to them to choose what style/approach they wish to take with the dmg they deal. Hell i have killed someone by hitting maul 3 times EWmaul, ewmaul, maul, assassinate. Currently my spec is http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#200McZGZfMfRrbkbfz.1 and i am very happy and wouldn't change anything about the class(unless you give me a heal through the legacy system plz....plz.) i personally have turned at least 3 die hard darkness fans into madness fan boys due to me wrecking them in a match and them whispering me for my spec. Its not that the spec is just all around good. Mechanically there is just so much going on with the spec that it is impossible to get bored with it. Like putting people in traps? Stealth in front of one knock em in electrocute and creeping terror and sprint over the trap to assassinate them at 30% for the killing blow, not to mention you just jumped over a pit of acid or fire trap while killing someone. you have to dot watch which is one of the unfortunate parts but fairly easy due to Edischarge being spam-able. My normal plan of attack is to find a healer and remove them from combat, by this i mean dot the **** out of them while tab discharging to keep pressure on the other guys in the area. Not to mention if a healer can heal you i can also hit you with death field and creeping terror to make the heals have less of an impact. I see this having more of an effect now that the heals are getting toned down. The worst part of the spec is also killing healers tho. I know unless i am 100% CD ready with perfect choices on what to interrupt and i crit my assassinate i can kill a healer without much hassle but without that crit on assassinate you won't kill them. In short i didn't really play the other specs(i have tried them at lvl 50 for a week each in order to give them a proper chance.). Considering other specs i would consider deception more fun then darkness. Darkness is a wonderful spec for auto piloting your way to valor 60 and giving jr players a chance against a pro deception or madness players who risk the exchange of survival for play style because they believe they have enough tools to keep them alive. my last bit of advice is to keep your companion geared. Doesn't matter how good you are if your companion dies in 2 hits from a gold mob.

sorry for not being able to scrounge up a link. I just wanted to say that i have heard they removed any extra defense so they have a base 10%(this is for any bosses.). Without a link to give you for that i present you with this http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/4924/cddb112d51e725dec406050.gif

So hi there friend i like how you point out things. I have numerous times taken a node right from under a pubs nose by just going behind then into their blind spot and take the point. I'm sure taking objectives are really hard. Not sure why you would be more effective at capturing when everyone has the same activation time on the node. Clearing a node out would be the correct turn of phrase. To explain for you little folk, you don't want to be capturing you want to be distracting,piss people off so they attack you. I can also hold an objective for a long amount of time. Its pretty easy, hit the dude capping the node, if they come in force then you should have teammates to help you out or you are f'd anyway. I can also mass taunt and guard when i need to. Its a cool feature of the class having a tank spec. I will wrap this up in this section i should get on to my point. I can also sprint and jump over the fire. Now as to me being new to pvp yeaaahhhh..no I'm rank 65 BM with 16400 health spec'd madness and i have NO issues surviving unless i get focused down super heavy then i would need a healer.(so would you too) Not to mention that you don't even bring up the strong points to your class like your crazy HDFL or the fact you have a decent aoe focused slow that reduces dmg, or your pull. If you are going to try to make a fool out of someone, come with enough information to do it with because you stated things that EVERY ASSASSIN IN THE GAME COULD DO! Next time state your point without trying to look cool by insulting a person and you may be taken seriously even with the extreme lack of knowledge about the class you provided or situations where your spec is lacking because that's what the topic of this nifty thread is about. ZWA!!! Edit: I would also like to mention that i didn't critique any of your actual abilities i just explained how i felt the spec felt due to its ability to do what assassins do best but with a ton of health and less dmg. If a skilled player can deal without the health for dmg they will more than likely do it every time. Edit, Edit: Give us a talented ability in deception to award life on killing blow. i would say maybe like a 10% heal or something can't occur within 10 seconds of each other. tie it into legacy because you are able to bind spirits to strengthen yourself why not the souls of your fallen foes on the battlefield. (just thought of that one!!!!)

you must be getting focused down pretty hard or you don't have the gear for it. The more health you have the higher your dot heals tick for thus increasing your survivability. I have about 17k with endurance buff.

if you don't plan on using assassinate/thrash/maul very often i would hold off on the saber unless you are really hurting for some force power.

Glad you enjoyed reading it. Gave the best rundown i could with the limited knowledge i have of the other specs.