A good question, but one i don't hav ethe awnser to. This is my first mmo so i'm use to single player rpgs like you said. And not being able to reload a past save in order to experiment is going to be interesting. Only advice i can give is se where the dialof takes you, decide if it's worth it. (doubt the romance will happen out of the blue)

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True. But what you're saying is more along the lines of "Anakin vs Obi-Wan" instead of "Vader vs Obi-Wan". (Not EXACTLY the same thing) Not that means what you're saying is wrong though.

You won't be convincing anyone making your points like that. Just saying...

Nope. I don't mind one bit . I really am a big fan of the Revan character, and I agree with you. Also another good point for the 'Vader side' (so to speak) is that the movies just don't do Vader's (or the Emperor's) TRUE power justice.

I know!!! I KNOW the awners to my problems are there but I can't get to them!!!! soo much pointless trouble....

Get this. They don't have one! Can you believe that!?!?

Revan's 'death' is SWTOR is purly speculative. Based on conjecture rather than knowledge. Thank you, Thank you! The people who said that are ignorant though. Like I said before, The Revan character is a difficult one for these depates because there's so much about him that is just unclear or undetailed. However to keep tha depate going so to speak, I'll add that Revan was locking in a cell for years just before facing Vitiate. And he was also betrayed, can't forget that part. Both good points. Again. Revan's 'death' is SWTOR is based on conjecture. Nuff said.

No, Doesn't make him better. But you said Argue your points better. It only makes you look like you don't know what your talking about.

SWTOR: Revan pg. 275 "...he opened up to the Force, letting both light and the dark side flow through him"

Indeed. The SW universe is VAST. Hate is such a strong word but I can see why people can be so anti-revan. Just as well as I can see how people can be so in love with the character. Personally I think it's really cool how an rpg character with such a great story built around it and so much personal choice left to the player can evolve into the canon of SW. But I think I'd like it better and the character could be better if they didn't leave AS much mystery and room for imagination to him.

Okay, I think you should've worded it differently then. And it didn't seem like the person your were quoting/talking to was even on the other side of it in any way (saying he WAS and all powerfull being). It was more like you were making a point. I was merely pointing out your wording of it. But also, Canon is canon no? I know some authers are better than others but still... can we really say something like "yeah it's canon BUT" ?

I've read the book. Maybe I missed it but didn't he just walk out the room, say something like "I am revan reborn, you are nothing before be" and just threw his hand out and killed her just like that? I mean I think I missed the part where it explained his ''concentrated effort'' EDIT: "Revan was proficient in the application of Force lightning,[3] and also in the use of defensive techniques to counter it.[2] Revan could use his bare hands to absorb and deflect very powerful Force lightning attacks.[2] Very few Force-users in the galactic history have demonstrated this ability." "Revan emerged from the cell. He Had pulled the hood of his Jedi robe up to cover his head, and he word the red-and-gray mask, hiding his face. A dozen bolts of lightning sprang from Nyriss's hand, arcing across the room to incinerate her ememies. Instead of leaping back into the cell to avoid the deadly attack, Revan stepped forward to intercept it. Both hands were held in front of him, his arms fully extended at shoulder height, his thumbs touching and his fingers splayed wide. He drew the bolts of lightning into his waiting grasp, channeling themaway fromtheir intended targets and absorbing their power. "I am Revan reborn," he said to Nyriss. "And brfore me you are nothing." Nyriss's eyes went wide as Revan unleashed the power of her own attack against her. She tried to throw up another Force shield, but the bolts ripped it apart and continued on unabated. The lightning engulfed her, the intense heat consuming her instantly, leaving only a pile of charred ash." pg. 248 SWTOR: Revan "He had easily bested Darth Nyriss..." pg. 251 SWTOR: Revan This information (canon?) counters what you said. An argument that would work better is this: the power of the Force-user directing the force-lightning at Revan.

Many, many, many posts in this thread prove that really, Vader vs Revan isn't really a fair debate. We know WAAAY more about Vader. Alot of people who support Revan in this debate (I believe they're called "fan-boys" around here?) just 'assume' things we really don't know about Revan. And alot of the things we DO know about Revan are hardly in detail (Which I think is a slight issue with the characher and why it's so easy to be "anti-revan").

Why must the argument be either light, dark, or neither? What about both? Couldn't you say that for Revan (reborn)??