-Some QQers claim that this game heavily favors ranged classes, others say it heavily favors melee. -PTs, Maras, Juggs, Snipers, Sins, and healers are all FOTM / OP, apparently. (it's like Baskin Robbins in here) I'm sure there's more; keep 'em coming.

Lol, really Ham? You thought his post was "smarmy" and "arrogant?" That was one of the few reasonable posts in this thread. He was really supporting both sides of this asinine argument by taking the middle-of-the-road approach. Pre-50 pvp IS for practice, for learning your class. You slowly get used to playing a given character as you gain more and more abilities and talents. That doesn't mean that everyone who plays sub-50 pvp is a scrub, nor did he suggest that. Man, some people will fly off the handle about anything... I have just as much fun in both brackets. I play 50s pvp when I want better competition (and usually better teammates), and I play lowbies when I want to continue to learn how to play a new class. I've been playing more lowbies recently because I have 5 alts I've slowly been working on. It's taking me forever to level them because I keep jumping back and forth between them. (and playing other games; here's looking at you, Dishonored, you magnificent bastard you) I'm fine with that, though, because I'm enjoying the hell out of all of them.

Wait, what? I think you're mixing up your political stereotypes. It's supposed to be the far-left that picks berries in the woods. (stereotypes are often wrong, btw) I think people from all walks of life can agree that personal responsibility is a good thing. As it applies to this game, well... I don't really care about that. I just like to pvp and troll the forums while I, erm, take care of my morning constitutional. That's right: you all entertain me while I make stool. Thank you for that.

So, call me crazy, but I have a blast in both brackets. That being said, I probably like 50s more. I, for one, would much rather play in recruit gear than play without over half of my abilities. There are many times in lowbies where I really wish I had my interrupt, my energy management talents (here's looking at you, baby sniper o' mine), etc. While it's extra frustrating to have to play with braindead people in 50s, it is much rarer than pre 50s. Plus, the degree of stupidity you see in the lower brackets is much more intense in its slap-dickery. For example; VS, I drop west with 2 others, 5 drop east. Enemy ends up sending 5 west, so I call "5 west." I get focused down, but hey, it'll be ok, right? There's still 2 guys fighting at the door... "West Bomb planted." Then, a few seconds later a bomb gets planted at the east door, even though the rest of my team is still over there because they ignored the inc call. Of course better gear is better, but it's not as big of a factor as people would like to think. A good player (emphasis on "good") in recruit gear will contribute more to the team than a bad player in WH. I've seen this first hand watching my guildies gear up their alts. One started working on a deception sin before the 1.4 buff. In mostly recruit gear, he consistently out-damaged/out-objectived everyone besides the other guildie we were running with that day. This was because he is smart about choosing his targets. (especially important for deception sins before 1.4) Bank your comms pre-50, augment your BM/WH gear as you get it; spend 1 week only doing dailies with maybe 1-2 extra games a day thrown in, and you'll have full BM. (if you completed the weekly too, that is) If you're a competent player, it's not a painful experience at all, and it's infinitely easier than the good old RNG bag hunt.

I stopped reading here, because I couldn't stop wondering whether this is what they call "playing tag" in South Africa, Australia, or New Zealand.

RARGLEBLARGLE RAGEQUIT. Nah, I'm not too concerned with it, actually. Some days the bug doesn't happen to me at all. The days it has, we've managed to pull off some pretty impressive wins and incredibly close loses while outnumbered by 1-2 people. That's because I lucked out and got grouped with people who didn't quit at the first sign of trouble. I know that stuff can (and often does) happen that'll make you miss a WZ. Still, with just a bit of care on our part, we can counteract this bug until it gets fixed.

I'll put a bounty on the bounty board. I want that smug signage turned into kindling by dawn! It's gotta look like an accident, though. (I'd suggest using termites, maybe beavers)

Here's a simple way to alleviate the problem until it gets patched: (hopefully tomorrow) Don't queue for pvp and go afk. Long matches only take about 15 minutes; if you don't have 15 minutes to spare, don't queue. If you miss a queue because you ran to the restroom/ went to grab a drink/ got the urge to bake a casserole/ whatever, exit out of the queue when you get back to your computer. Yes, this annoying issue shouldn't be an issue to begin with, but it looks to be very preventable. Do your part to prevent it, please.

Those 3 guys deserved to win for tying your score. Seriously though, ick; that's pretty lame right there. Just take it out on Cheld, Phael, and that dirty, dirty squirrel for not insta-grappling the other team back into the match.

Had a VS game tonight where we got the bridge faster than them; we won and got credit for 3 games played. You guys need to use that bug instead.

Oooo, got a new one. Best way to start off a CW: Everybody go mid and west, we don't need our side turret. Why is that guy sighing in chat and running east? Oh well, we'll just keep fighting mid. We should probably make sure to ignore the healers up top and let them do their thing. Oh darn, we weren't able to kill anyone at mid for some reason. That's OK, we have 2 guys who kept them from taking west. We'll go help them and completely abandon east. Huh, that same guy said he'd defend east for some reason; how odd. We should probably ignore the turret at west, though. Let's let them cap it even though there are at least four of us still here. Gee, why didn't we win the game?

What's more stylish: hard-wear or soft-wear? I just can't choose!

The best way to start a VS match is as follows: Send 5 guys east to fight 3 people, 3 west to fight 5 people. Be glad that the baddie who calls out "5 west" dies first so he can't watch the door. Ignore his call, and while you're at it, ignore both doors so the other team can immediately plant on both of them. Continue ignoring calls for the rest of the match.

If you wanna be really stylish, wear some Rare-wear, aka a red tie and a gorilla suit; accessorize with bananas. edit: This post will make no sense unless you go to the end of page 17. Even then, it will only make marginal sense.

I think this is what people tend to neglect in these threads. Now, I would argue that the number of cheaters (especially in the months since 1.2) is insignificant enough that many people (like me) have never had to deal with them. The important thing, though, is that those few who do resort to cheating are punished in a timely fashion. Out of curiosity, I did a search for "swtor cheating bans". One of the first links that popped up was a forum for hacks and such. Within, there were many posters talking about getting banned for cheating. What was especially telling, though, was that manyof these cheaters weren't using obvious speed hacks in pvp, but had used bots to run space missions. (there were also your run-of-the-mill pvp cheaters complaining about getting banned, too) So, not only does BW catch what few pvp cheaters pop up, they also catch cheaters that are never observed by other players. If you think someone is cheating and report them, they will get banned IF they are actually cheating. The problem is that in many of these threads, there are people who simply don't understand how all the classes and specs work. These people file erroneous reports without checking their combat logs or doing any research / testing to see if what they experienced was actually a legitimate ability or a common bug. They then come to the forums to vent, and nothing constructive is accomplished. If you're not going to take the time to check your facts before reporting someone, please be smart enough to at least be discreet about your possibly frivolous reporting. Just suck it up and acknowledge the possibility that you were simply outplayed. If the person you reported was hacking, they will be punished. If not, re-read two sentences back.