There are really four top guilds on the server, three of them Imp and one Pub (many from the Pub guild have Imp alts as well). Most of the people that will come on here and tell you the warzone scene is terrible are those that play strictly normals. The normal warzone scene is filled with bad players, unnecessary trash talking, and poor tactics. That said there are queue pops all day and night. Judging by what you're asking however I don't think you care much about the normal warzone scene. As a member of one of the four guilds mentioned above and someone that has been part of the rated scene since day one I can honestly say that the rated community is pretty amazing. Are there queue pops all the time? No. That said the top four teams are pretty accepting of anyone that is willing to queue up and play, and for the most part the community is pretty close. It's not uncommon to see one guild field a full team and two other guilds combine resources to play them. If others jump in, that's all the better. Additionally there are kickball style warzones where resources are combined amongst all the PVP guilds and two captains pick teams. We have actually become mostly friends in the top tier of PVP and there is quite a bit of mutual respect among us at this point.

I actually have Tera installed and was thinking about reactivating my account but I utterly hated the combat in that game... not to mention those ****ty outfits apply to the characters that look like they're 8 years old.

Really only one of Ascendancy's best players has gone to another server so by the "majority of best players" you clearly meant one of the best players. Also, you are in fact, basing your opinion on a stale game that's two weeks away from getting a major update. All servers will likely be hopping again... at least for a while. I'd also like to point out the all the "best players" that stopped playing still have active accounts and do pop on from time to time while waiting for the expansion. I would strongly advise you actually let the best players speak for themselves before you say where they are and are not going. Kthxbai.

Fouling is part of the game which is why they have fouls to begin with. Everyone knows not every foul or every penalty will be called. A better example would be steroids. it's introducing a substance that has other purposes into the game with the intent of using said substance to gain an advantage in a way the substance was not intended. But yes you are right, Bioware has not made an official statement on it one way or another which is a testament really to how bad Bioware really understands this game or the PVP aspect of this game. As I said though I still feel we're mature enough adults with a good enough relationship within the community to still police this ourselves because I do feel there is enough mutual respect amongst us. The way we've been going though pretty sure all bets will be off in a month... which is really sad when you think about it.

If you're arguing that it's fair because we all can do it then I don't think you'll really get objections. Yes, you are correct, we all have the ability to type /stuck. I don't think that was ever debated. I think the actual point of this discussion is to determine if we all should be using /stuck or if we are close enough of a community and grown up enough to be willing to not to use a blatant exploit against one another to try and promote better competition. Considering three of the four major guilds have come out and blatantly said they do not and will not use it I think the actual discussion is over for the time being.

Always sad to see a long time rival go but it was always a pleasure man. Good luck and enjoy yourself out there.

If it's someone like Martian who tends to be the best player in any huttball game, then yes I'll pull him/knock him into the pit just to make it harder for him to get to where he wants to go. That was almost always our strategy against the old Aliens team. Keep Martian away from the ball and away from where he needs to go as much as possible and if we lost track of Martian we made it a point to find him and disrupt whatever he had planned. Of course I guess our strategy was bad or something though because you know it's not like we've won more games than any other guild on the server almost always playing with a team that was less than ideal against other guilds A teams. Also Asuna I want to point out that me typing /stuck in my own endzone tends to be far less effective then someone from the opposite team typing /stuck in my endzone. Just like me typing /stuck when we're two capped and pulled off a great hard switch that catches the other team off guard is far less effective then the team that has us two capped typing /stuck so they can just bypass our effort to delay in Civil War. It basically just says teams don't need tactics, if they get fooled or tricked, just hit reset and it's okay.

Going to jump in on that and say Martian has never used /stuck, especially in Huttball. One of our main goals before Martian joined Ascendancy was trying to keep Martian from walking into fire after he scored so he could not setup for pulls on defense. Why /stuck in a warzone when you have an multiple instant death traps all over the map? Also my point is that me as a player has no way to prevent someone from typing out /stuck to better position themselves. I'm well aware that as some point all the servers will get merged again and we will all likely have to embrace it. I would find it very sad however that as close of a community as we are between the top PVP guilds we can not agree that this is an exploit and ban it from rateds games against one another. We are not the other servers where everyone is using blatant exploit so why put it in position to make it rampant on our server now? Also I want to point out that of all the PVP guilds on the server Ascendancy is the only one that has withstood the grind. Every other PVP guild that has been big has come and gone. We do not exploit nor have exploited and no one will be able to say we have not been the #1 or #2 guild in PVP from the day rateds started so the playing to win argument is null and void just looking at us. We obviously play to win, have won more then any other guild out there, and have not had to exploit to do it.

Since I spoke on this earlier I'll go ahead and just make it official on how Ascendancy feels on this. This is an exploit that we do not support. I know it's rampant on almost all other servers but I feel we've developed a very close PVP community here and I have faith this can be taken care of and for the most part has been taken care of. There will be arguments saying that the corner capping in Novare is an exploit, as well as battle rezzing in a warzone and I believe they are a bit of an exploit, however smart play can certainly prevent these things from occurring (watching the node and interrupting the rez). There is no circumstances that can prevent a player from typing /stuck.

Greetings all. Been away for a bit but going to go ahead and hop into the hate fest because it just wouldn't seem right if I'm not involved in a good old fashioned hate fest on the forums. Anyways just want to set something straight here. Naena, Meggles, Soreyox, and I created Ascendancy back in the day and of those four I have been the only one to have been consistently active in the rated scene from the very get go. I can tell you all right now that any claim that we started carrying Agape recently is quite false. Was he in Ascendancy this whole time? No, but he's been a member of our rated team pretty much from day one of rateds and was even on our very first team we put together on the first day of rateds. Anyone saying otherwise is utterly ignorant and false. I also was part of one of the /stuck instances with Full Resolve (which was nearly three months ago at this point) and I can attest that since that occasion I have not seen anything similar from Full Resolve or Squirtle Squad. If others have then that is something that they can bring up with them, however bear in mind we were the first to have this happen to us and we handled it outside of the forums and the issue seems to have been resolved in regards to us. I'm not fully understanding why all of this is an issue since it seems this was quite a while ago. Additionally I'm unsure why Vara is the one being thrown under the bus for these incidents. I know when it happened against us Vara was not one of the offenders and was one of the first people willing to discuss whether /stuck is a valid mechanic to use. I also want to point out Nelos that I have a lot of respect for you because when everyone left Deadweight to go play Guild Wars you kept Deadweight going. I'm unsure why there is this hatred specifically for Vara, perhaps you're in the same position I've been in since day one of Ascendancy where I've always been told I'm not Luigi and you've heard the same thing so you've lashed out. If that's the case, I get it, but please bear in mind Vara hasn't really done anything wrong for you to lash out at him, the same way Luigi never did anything wrong to cause me to lash out with him and I've always had a solid game relationship with him because of that. To those that say Nelos is a weak link in his guild, I say that even if that is the case he's half the reason there is one respectable guild left on pub side. When everyone left Nelos kept trying to keep things going and I do have a lot of respect for doing that. Lastly I'm going to just say Op you need to stop name dropping us every time you get in a fight on the forums. I get you like to troll, hell I've been one of the biggest supporters of trolling on the forums, that said there is zero reason to name drop guilds every time you want to troll. I have gone back and pretty much read everything I missed over the last month and it's insane how many times I see you say you play with Ascendancy/Squirtle Squad/TaunTauns. Some of what everyone is saying on the forums about you is dead on. You were not a troll until you started playing with us (which was quite recently) and their hostility towards you is relatively valid because you did not start talking so much until you started winning in warzones with US. Part of me feels I should say this to you outside of forums but at the same time it's my guilds name that keeps popping up on the forums which is why I'm stepping in to stop it. You do play with us, I have no problem with that because you're good enough to play with us, but the constant name dropping of our guild has to stop. It especially needs to stop if you're going to keep referencing us to show how good you are. Let your play speak for itself not the guilds that let you play with them.

**** Psi... is that better?

Just want to say that if you're going to allow sap/seething you might as well allow everything including grenades and adrenals. You basically guaranteed an Assassin will win with that rule.

Way more impressive since it happened in a Voidstar.

I think we're underestimating the commitment but not the difficulty. Being willing to bash your head against a boss for four hours to learn every pattern possible isn't a talent.

Why not? How is it any different then us or TaunTaun's doing it? It just seems like Pub PVP guilds are far more content to just sit back in their four man premades and beat up on pugs all day then to actually reach out to a couple people so you can enjoy some actual competition. Also it's not like you don't know who these people are in other guilds. You know who the good players are and good players will play well no matter the team they're on. You might lose a little team synergy but at least your playing with and against the best the server has to offer.