QUOTE=pumpsw;3928192]It's very hard to get the heal/dps balance right because of all the variables out there. I wonder though if they did sufficient healing sage testing versus competitive players? A 1.2 sage is still "fine" when against a pug but against ANY decent players without guard they are very hard pressed and with guard, still marginal. Anyways, I thought I'd share this educated point of view from another post in this thread: http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=406858&page=14 --------------------------------- Reality check since I play a operative healer, a merc healer, and a sorc healer. I feel the changes for my merc were pretty decent and even handed. I never had the raw healing output of a sorcerer, but the fact that I could heal far better under fire and was vastly more tanky more than made up for it. The changes alone, sans the expertise change, would have been pretty fair. My sorcerer before the changes was a puggers worst nightmare because I could dish out serious healing numbers and most puggers had no clue how shut me down. Against competent players though in competitive matches, outside of huttball my sorc was a completely and total liability because of how much of a draw on guard he was and due to the fact that he was stupid easy to shut down with interrupts. Post 1.2, there is no reason to continue playing my sorcerer. The sorc changes to 'viable' healing output were grossly heavy handed. I say viable healing output because sorcs lost the ability to cast their biggest heal quickly. Rather than simply fix the bug allowing it to be double cast quickly and see how it played out, the end result was making the class unplayable (as a healer) against anyone even remotely competitive. You literally need a guard chained to your hip following you around to survive, and even then you can still be shut down easily via interrupts. My operative healer was completely viable before the patch both pugging and in competitive matches, and I would even go so far as to say was probably the best healer in competitive games. Sure bad players had issues healing with this class, but a good player was really able to excel with it in competitive play. Post patch, I must admit it is pretty stupid. I played 10 matches last night pugging, seldom had guard, and died once... and that death was my own fault. I feel borderline OP. Post 1.2 conclusion: Sorcs Healers - Completely and totally unviable Merc Healers - Fairly ok Operative Healers - Borderline OP[/QUa a full geared sage in war hero gear can put out 500k heals and 200k dps a full war hero geared sorc can do the close to the same in heals CLOSE but they can not dps at all which is bull **** sages need to be nerfed some how

Ok WELL here you go. a person on my server has a video that show's a form of exploit in the game her name is " shinarkia " frrom " The corsir " server. go to youtude and watch her videos she is a talented player to a point. but in one of her videos it show's that a skill in the JEDI SHADOW that ignores resolve in pvp also you can note that if you watch her video's she explain's alot of stuff but the ONE THING SHE STATES IS THAT THIS ONE TALENT BYPASS"S RESOLVE IN PVP

Ok WELL here you go. a person on my server has a video that show's a form of exploit in the game her name is " shinarkia " frrom " The corsir " server. go to youtude and watch her videos she is a talented player to a point. but in one of her videos it show's that a skill in the JEDI SHADOW that ignores resolve in pvp also you can note that if you watch her video's she explain's alot of stuff but the ONE THING SHE STATES IS THAT THIS ONE TALENT BYPASS"S RESOLVE IN PVP

i really like it as a sorc healer was able to move stuff around and organize alot better. BTW nerf the pub side version of sorc healer. a friend and i sat down side by side a firend of mine exactly geared the same with same spec down the board was able to out heal me and still put out a **** ton of dps. they did 90k dps and 300k heals and i was only able to do maybe 25k dps and 200k heals. i ask him to play my character and i played his and and i did around 65k dps and around 275k heals he was able to only put out 40 k dps and 190k heals. i know this is a difference and he obviously plays better than i do but the number are not the same and you did not nerf any part of them. BIOWARE needs to check what people tell them. i feel they listen to the public more that actuall run ther number and check the numbers

everything is out of wack now. any gunslinger jedi knight anyone can solo a sorc with no problem i have spent several hours now studing spec's builds and dps to hps and dps is out going almost 3 to 1 so a 5k crit from a jug or a maurader the sorc healer can only heal maybe 1.5k -2.25 k of the damage. SO put simple 3 hits for approx. 5k which equals approx 15k the person is dead in that same time frame the healer can only heal maybe 5-7.5k of the damage done tottaly unequall and broken the numbers should be at least close. i then jumped on my level 15 sage and can still he can not only still keep up his heals but can still help with all there stuns and cc THANK YOU BW AND EA FOR *********** UP EVEN MORE

ok played several MMORPGS. wow, swg, guild wars, to name a few. as i see it you nerf a sorc in almost all aspects but then you buff a commando healer. (read patch notes) lowered cost and cast time of a healer that wears heavy armour and has a big gun( lol) but sorc they get nerfed down and they were light armour and can be soloed by have the poppulation. and even worse now. ORiginally was stated that artifice would be first to craft new stuff and yes you did do a couple crystals but as of 1.2 they did not get anything serious like some of the other crew skills. While reading the patch notes i did see that the combat medic was nerfed a bit. i see more of all classes getting buffed but heals have be drasticlly been reduced almost to an unfair amount. Please Explain or convience me that what has been done is more level across the board. expessionlly when it comes to the commado medic and the sorc heals. almost no one could 1v1 a commando before yet still looks like the same thing will happen ok look for the poeple who critize spelling more than life. i know i have gramatical error's the point is even after reading patch notes several times and then discussing it with other players of different skill levels most sorc's are chooseing different roles based on bio-ware's nerf of you people who felt they were over powered. if you want to look at over powered looke at the repblic side sage even after the nerf they are still over powered

well before patch 1.2 a healer could actually keep hims self up with 2 people on him ( could not heal anyone else) but could heal yourslef at least . Now a single person can take out a sorc healer one on one anyone one can stwor really screwed that up

i feel this guy is on track in all the movies you are either force sensitive or not even thou prince leia was luke's sister and was from the same father she did not have force powers people that are unsatified are people that are greedy and want everything for nothing i guess you could be a bh that is force sensitive but then you would need to adjust the mech of the game for that stuff not a fan of this change it will be interesting to say the least

i am running a custome built system with a asus 990 fs / 65 mother board , radeon hd xfx 6870 grafix card a 16 MB of ram and windows 7 professional everything is up to date and jsut bought the computer. had everyting optimized for gameing. i have a 6 mb download and 2 mb up load speed for my internet yet i keep getting dced from game not only in regular invironment but in pvp as well random loose connection form server. some times all times of the day and night i get randomly dced from your servers i am tired of this i love the game but i have played 2k for a new gaming computer and even pay 70 a month for a solid connection i do not loose connection from ventrilo at all and do not loose or loose connection from the internet it is a issue with the game i have tried high and low setting and still have the problem please DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS