1.) A stat you pulled out of your ***, as I`ve been in groups that were pug and beat premade. But moving on... 2.) Did you ever think, before insulting my mental condition, that I was not on a server where this occurs? Not to say that premades don't occur, but that the players who I communicate with through the chat system are competent enough to figure out how to counter whatever obvious strategy is being implied. If people use the chat system and know what objectives require attention, the game goes much smoother than you'd think. Now since you mentioned this at the end, thank you for thinking about how I should be considerate of other people's experience on their server. Be sure to practice what you preach next time though.

You finally explained what so many others could not do coherently. Thank you. My criticism of this though is that at the moment, without cross server pvp, it would take too long to que. Once that is implemented though, by all means. Make infinite ques for multiple game styles for all it matters. Frankly I just want an arena system put in.

Wrong yet again, so I`ll have to explain it as if to a four year old, because this is getting old. First: I encourage pvp premades because it encourages group play. Not to beat on pugs. Not to face other premades, but to encourage playing with friends. Second: I did suggest that having a separate que for premades would be wise WHEN CROSS SERVER PVP comes in, but until then, it is pointless because it would severely extend que times. Third: I am fine with facing solo pugs. I never said otherwise. Fourth: I never stated going against premade is rare. Not once, if you can find it , quote it in full. Fifth: Even if i que solo and not in a premade, which is quite often, and go against premade groups, I, like a good player, use the chat system for more than just QQ-ing about premade groups and criticizing other players. I try to work as a team to beat a team game. Sixth: If people do not like to go premade or communicate with their team, then maybe a team based game isn`t for them. And I mention communication because from what I can tell, while premade groups may have an advantage using vent or some other instant communication system, it is nothing that teamwork and planning through the chat systems in the game can not fix. There. As basic as it gets. If you still do not understand then I pray you are one of the mindless masses who cancelled their subscription and only come on the forum to ***** and complain about the game not being super easy for scrubs such as yourself.

Wrong again. I wasn't whining. I wanted to know why people are complaining. As I've said constantly in this thread. I've also said in this thread the same thing as this guy. Premades are good. If people don't want to face premades, then don't pvp because group play will always be part of mmo games. You just seem to be unable to understand the words that have been being put in this thread. Where did I say that premades were bad? I never did. I wanted to know why people think they are bad. Learn to read.

Fair enough. No offense to healers out there, just doing what you're supposed to do won't get my MVP vote.

He isn't. That's the second post you've misunderstood to the point of thinking it promotes the opposite. You're either a really bad troll, or illiterate.

Perfectly said.

If a team was smart enough to organize a team with that many healers, which have been nerf'd in 1.2, and they're able to despite focus fire (I assume the healers were being focused down otherwise your original point is worthless), then all the power to them. Let them reap the benefits of teamwork.

Teamwork in a team based game with a community?!?!? GET RID OF PREMADES!!!!!!! /sarcasm

Perfect reply. Premades aren't there for people to be cheap, at least most people I'm sure. They're there because they want to play as a team against formidable foes. If a premade group continued to roll over all the people around then I'm sure it would not be very fun for too long.

3 hour que? That's rather rough. But it's not a result of the premade, it's a result of low population or lack of balance.

If you take a few seconds to look at the topics in the pvp forum or, for instance, the other one guy in this thread, people have hate for premades. They're complaining a **** ton. This isn't an argument. This is me asking for a valid reason why people hate premades. I see no reason why there is so much hate as I think premade groups is not punishing and is in fact a good thing and want to know why people are complaining so much. Do you understand now or do I need to spell it out in a even more basic form?

This is what is done.

A separate que for premades? That would be too difficult on the que times for premades since server populations are not balanced. I'd only side with that if the pvp was expanded past server limitations and done on a region wide que. Until then, let people pvp how they want. Don't hate on people because they want to play with friends. This is how i see it. I don't get the issue except people don't want coordinated play unless they're the ones coordinated.

It is determined by how long it takes for each team to reach the score they received. The shorter time results in the winner.