Every time I try to log into my character since I subscribed, the load screen get stuck on 90%.

Well this thread was fun to read as I learned a lot I didn't know before, but you people put way too much stock in these rankings which ultimately seem more like a popularity contest rather than an unbiased, objective truth. The standard deviation on any given rank seems like it's around 3-5 ranks on average - and that's about as accurate as it gets.

Seems like individual top Sith/Jedi lists should have been done first but what's done is done.

While there was a deal of discussion between Caedus and Vitiate, I noticed there was little to no discussion regarding Darth Plagueis and why he is below both Caedus and Vitiate. Why is he just assumed below them?

Could you provide a source for George saying that?

How? Luke wasn't born purely of the force. It seems like HAD Anakin truly actualized his FULL potential, he would be the undisputed #1 and even Luke would have been #2 to him (given the generation gap between being born purely of the force and that beings offspring with a regular human - making Luke in a sense a halfborn of the Force). Are you saying they would both be tied for #1 had Anakin realized his full potential?

I'm slowly catching up through this thread but this caught me. Isn't Anakin the Chosen One, not Luke? On a side note, assuming that Anakin hadn't been crippled, wouldn't he theoretically have the potential to become the most powerful force user and duelist ever out of anyone or anything (since he was born purely of the Force). I know it didn't turn out that way so I'm not arguing Darth Vader for #1 or anything, but assuming he had realized his full potential, wouldn't he be undisputable #1 amongst all Jedi/Sith/Other combined? I've got some more questions once I fully catch up but for the time being I just didn't want to forget to ask about this.

Thanks for providing some quotes. However, I find some of them to be problematic. Not that they should be disregarded, but that the context in which they used is relevant to determining their undisputed, objective truth. 1 - The first quote is clearly limited in it's perspective, being a first hand account of Darth Vader. While he's surely educated to some degree in Sith History, it definitely doesn't qualify him to make the claim in the quote represented here. 2 - I'd have to know more about the context. If it's a first-hand perspective of Yoda, then it suffers from the same problems as the above quote - probably even more-so due to the fact that he wasn't ever apprenticed as a Sith and likely knew even less of Sith history in relation to Palpatine's power than Vader did. 3 - I can't really criticize this quote without knowing the context. Who's the one writing it? On a lesser, perhaps more technical point, "the greatest master of evil ever to use Sith power" isn't necessarily equivocal to "the most powerful Sith ever". 4 - I'd have to ask who is Wheless (lead animator?) and what are his qualifications for determining Star Wars Lore. As far as I kneow, the only person capable of making a definitive, indisputable statement about the Lore of Star Wars is Lucas himself. More importantly though, there's a good chance here that his saying "channeled by the most powerful Sith Lord in history" is simply an overdramatization of the truth because it sounds like he's just doing a promotional interview for the film. Sure you could take his quote here to literally mean he is saying Sidious is the most powerful Sith Lord in history, but I don't think that was what he was attempting to convey in that interview and I don't think he was actually going through his mind and considering the ramifications of such a bold claim. 5 - This criticism is merely about the quote being said in the present tense. It says nothing about past or future practitioners of the Force's dark side. I'm not saying I've discredited these quotes in any way whatsoever because as a collection, they're all still good evidence that goes to support your argument that Sidious is in fact the most powerful Sith Lord ever. I'm just very skeptical that these quotes guarantee the certainty you seek with indisputable proof such that any further discourse on the subject is rendered meaningless. If there isn't something more concrete, possibly a Lucas confirmation of the matter, I would say the title of most powerful Sith ever is still disputable.

Well that's a relief. I'll have to listen to the audiobook sometime. Busy with Darth Plagueis right now though.

Haven't read the book. I'm mostly talking about the Dragonball Z gameplay which is pretty silly.

Let's be real here, who honestly considers Dragonball Z (Force Unleashed) as Star Wars canon? It's up there with Lightwhip as far as bad lore contributions go from the EU. Maybe I'm alone in this, but I just don't take everything from EU seriously.

-Makes profound claim- -Provides none of the actual sources to back it up- A+ Thread.

You're so cool.

Your crafting is level 1 since you just picked it up so you can only craft low level items. Level it up and you can craft better gear lol.

My game must be bugged then because I only get the Hutt Cartel load screen now.