Oooh a founder! Hey look everybody, this guy is a founder! See, nobody cares. But I didn't write this reply to poke fun at you for thinking you are special because you are a founder, I wrote this post to say I think it's funny you think you are special because you are a founder. Don't see the difference? Yeah, I couldn't tell the difference between your "not a goodbye post" and a "goodbye post" either.

This forum is for the general discussion of SWTOR. It's not your place to decide what constitutes a valid discussion, there is an administrative staff that decides that. What's ridiculous is people without any authority what so ever telling others what they should or shouldn't discuss. The only way a thread stays on the front page is if people are interested in discussing the topic.

Yes, I do indeed find the complaining about complaining posts worse than any other type of complaining post, regardless of whatever else someone might be complaining about. They have a right to complain about the game, and if nobody is interested in discussing whatever it is they are complaining about it'll scroll off the front page into oblivion soon enough. You have no right to tell other people what they can and can not, or even should or should not post. If you don't like someone's complaint, tell them, in that thread what you don't like about their complaint, or better yet, just move on to the next thread.

This dude just said "totes" like a 12 year old girl. Oh wait, my bad, while I'm sure there aren't many playing SWTOR, it is entirely possible OP is a 12 year old girl. Sorry lil' lass, it's totes adorbz when you say it.

I hope one day you are able to find the help you need. Best of luck.

So by creating a post seeking others who want to play the way I do I'm disrespecting the way you want to play? I never joined any of those restrictive LFMs and insisted they let me play the way I want to. I didn't start an argument in fleet chat or the forums about how they have no right to exclude. I simply started a thread in the server forum looking for others that want to play the way I do and YOU came in to argue with ME, but I'm the the person who doesn't respect others? Wow. Just wow.

You sure used a lot of words to simply say you're not interested. Not that I'm complaining, as evidenced by this thread, I'm often derided as being excessively loquacious. However, I believe thou doth protest too much. I get the feeling that you personally identify with your character and feel threatened by the idea that people might achieve the same results by a different path. Before I go on I've got to address that ludicrous troll remark. I've seen a lot of people allege troll in situations where it obviously didn't apply, but this is just the worst. I'm hoping you said I'm trolling instinctively out of habit, that you so often find yourself unable to defend things you've said that you have taken to calling everyone a troll in order to save face, if only for yourself. There's not a single element of trolling by me in this entire thread. In the original post I go to great length to point out what I want to do, why I want to do it, and how I intend to go about doing it. There isn't anything even the slightest bit controversial or inflammatory in the initial post. Someone proudly proclaims they barely managed to skim 3 paragraphs and I tell them that I hope one day they feel the shame they already should as it would be a sign of personal growth. They defaced a thread in which all I was doing was looking for other friendly people who might want to hook up for some drama free raiding. Their action was reportable, but reporting it wouldn't accomplish anything, and I bare them no ill will, I just hope they think more carefully before hitting submit in the future. This is the opposite of trolling, I intended it to stop the TLDRers from further defacing the thread and it worked, not a single one since. To say that I'm trolling is an embarrassment on par with the 3 paragraph skimmer dude, unfortunately the rest of what you said was equally embarrassing dribble, and since you called me a troll I'm going to drag each and dribble over the coals... "except that now your system has not added any value to your matchmaking experience that doesn't already exist" This one made me laugh because it was impressively wrong in so many different ways. First, I made no proposal for any system, none. In pointing out the reasons I felt the need to organize a group via this forum post I demonstrated how the in game matchmaking tools were insufficient for my cause. While I would certainly love to see more social tools added to the game making it easier for like minded players to find each other, this thread is advocating nothing more than using this thread as a tool for people with free afternoons and like minds to group up for some stress free raiding fun. Which, by the way, is exactly the reason this forum exists. You state that your example where the ninja looter (always 100% YOUR fault I might add) +1's you and you ignore them demonstrates that such a system would add no value is humorously illogical. It's like saying cars can't move because although they have a gas pedal, they also have a break and that nullifies the gas. Further down in that paragraph you demonstrate a pitiful level of reading comprehension when you talk about the impossibility of matchmaking with bachelors just had me scratching my head as to how you could mess that up so badly. I was talking about how I never found the friends list of much use, yet could see how additional tools for use on the friends list would be useful, such as being able to make an announcement to the people on your friends list. I'm still laughing to myself and shaking my head as to how you could get auto grouping with bachelors out of that. Priceless. "Look, a scientist doesn't go into his or her lab saying, I'm going to throw two random chemicals together and see what happens! They research what others in the field have done, and they come up with testable hypotheses based on preliminary research. Then the experiment begins." I quoted this part, because it's hilarious, but I'm going to go on to reply to everything around that comment where you in effect state it's impossible to successfully complete a raid without first having watched a video of someone else completing the raid, which begs the question, "Who did the people that made the video watch?" Your quote is precious, so adorbs. It's a good thing the Wright Brothers didn't share your scientific acumen. The funniest thing about that is that going in and seeing what happens is precisely THE ONLY WAY the game provides for learning the mechanics of a fight. It's how those people who made that video you watched learned the mechanics of the fight. In fact, it's pretty much the entire point of the game, figuring out how to adapt to the abilities of different bosses. I'm going to go out on a limb here, but do you also think the proper way to solve crossword puzzles is to wait for the answers to come out next day? "The problem is, if you don't go in without doing some homework you're liable to cause an explosion of frustration and anger." Unless there were some way to group up with people that realized it's just a game and were there solely to have fun. I suppose someone could make a post in a forum somewhere looking for such people. Perhaps in the forum of the server they play on? Crazy thought I know. Finally, I'll reiterate a few things I've already clearly stated, but yet you just didn't seem to get... I can't believe the idea of actually playing the game is so foreign to some people that they honestly can't even fathom the thought of playing without cookie cutter builds, using theory crafted rotations, and following walkthroughs. Can you imagine these people in a D&D group? "Excuse me Dungeon Master, could you send me a link to the walkthrough video?"

If you play MMORPGs long enough you'll eventually figure out what I already know from having played MMORPGs for nearly a decade, there's no finish line, there's no winner's circle, there's nothing waiting for you on the other side of all that grind except more grind. In MMORPGs it most certainly isn't where you end up, but how you get there. I assume the reason you have no idea what you are talking about is that I highly doubt you read the original post, but since you've bumped the post and I've got time, I'll set you straight. I never complained about how others play anywhere in this thread, not once. The only place where I even mention how others play is... That's not a complaint, I merely pointed out that whether they put it in the LFM or not, most groups are looking for the fastest way through and expect players to already know what's going on. I never complained about it, I never even made any commentary about it, I simply stated the fact that if you want to just play the game to have fun then you are not normal and must make special accommodations for yourself. Which is the entire point of this thread, to make special accommodations for the way I wish to play as it deviates from the norm. This is just a video game dude, a game that requires and allows for very little player skill at that. Nobody, absolutely no one at all, not even your mom is going to be impressed by what you "accomplish" here. Especially in group based PVE. If you told me you were the grand poobah of PVP I might raise an eyebrow, for a second, but PVE is entirely scripted and a blind rat would eventually find its way through any content out there. Once you realize the only person who gives 2 flying flips about what happens to you in game is yourself, you'll start caring a whole lot more about who you play with in terms of how enjoyable they make the journey instead of how fast they get you to the end.

I don't see leveling from 1-60 constituting anything proper, that would imply there is something improper about buying a token and starting at 60. A person who starts at 60 can be every bit as effective as someone starting at 1, in every regard. However, in regard to a title supposedly demonstrative of an intimate familiarity with the background of each and every class, I suppose excluding characters that start at 60 isn't altogether absurd. Granted, players can space bar through dialogs and follow the arrow on the map all the way to 60 without knowing a single thing more about the class than they would had they started at 60, but I'm not all that big on meaningless titles that anyone can earn without effort so I'm certainly not going to bother championing that banner.

That's terrible logic. The vegan restaurant doesn't serve meat, SWTOR most certainly serves PVP. It is because so many people express your defeatist attitude that SWTOR can't do anything well but the story, that they quit even trying.

I hope not. I would like to see the republic and empire truly united, not merely symbolically united through story. In future expansions I want there to be worlds where both factions can meet, as allies, to run flashpoints and operations together.

Close, though the only exclusion I call for is the exclusion of the process that excludes people for not being geared enough, knowing all the fights in advance, and linking the achievement that demonstrates they've already successfully completed the content with another group. The goal of this group would be to, above and beyond all else, have fun. Whatever else happens is of minor concern in comparison to that primary goal. Is wiping on the first trash pull ten times in a row fun? It could be, with the right group, but most of the time the answer is going to be no. That's certainly not what I'm looking for or advocating. Yet the average person isn't a monkey smacking the keyboard with a banana, they are average. They have average gear, they have average ability in controlling their character, they respond to events in an average manner, and when working together are capable of overcoming an average obstacle. I'm not talking about getting 16 people together and tossing all our gear in a pile while we charge naked with reckless abandon headlong into whatever we happen upon, all the while screaming nonsense into the mic and giggling in the background like a bunch of chuckle heads. I think a lot of people think if you don't require know all fights, be geared, link achievements then that is exactly what you'll get. I don't think so. If you get 16 average players together in an operation, even if they've never done it before, they'll be able to make their way through eventually. For the purposes of this group, which I knew was a long shot at best and has so far proven to me that long shot was overly optimistic, I planned on doing all the ops with story mode a number of times before venturing forward with hard mode, and never looked at nightmare mode as anything more than something we might eventually try, just for fun, to see what it is like. I always start out with an optimism level of "Pie in the Sky". I pictured one day, not too far off in the future, dozens of people joining the voice server, one by one around the time frame most people settled on, joking around and talking about what we're going to do today, what we'll need, and who's going to do what. Once we had all the roles filled we'd head off, with a few extra people deciding to run some flashpoints while they wait for the next one or until enough people show up to run a second ops. Over the course of a few weeks, people would get to know each other really well and have a lot more gear and experience with the ops than when we started so we'd switch to hard mode. A few weeks later we try nightmare, but with daily hard mode operations under our belt it would prove trivial, and we'd realize that as a group we are capable of so much more than mere video games. We'd move to a remote corner of the world to start a new society. As our numbers grew we'd declare ourselves a sovereign nation, and our borders would swell as people from across the globe cast aside their inferior lifestyles and embraced our superior ideals. Eventually, inevitably, our ever expanding borders would clash with and then envelop the lesser nations of the world until one day all the people of Earth were living in harmony under our flag. Having solved world peace, we'd set our sights on the stars, demolishing the barriers in our way and making faster than light travel our bish. As we ventured further and deeper into space we'd happen upon alien civilizations, some friendly, some hostile, but any resistance would be futile as our galactic republic was born. Eventually division would grow in our ranks like a cancerous tumor. Some, content with our achievements, wanting to halt our forceful expansion and allow further alien nations to choose to join us upon witnessing our grandeur, while others proclaiming it is our destiny, neigh, our obligation to branch out and liberate alien races from their oppressively inferior societal contructs. Civil war would break out and in the end we'd realize we had created a real world scenario of the video game based on a movie that had started it all. We'd all go out for drinks and make jokes about life imitating art, bringing peace to galaxy. Yeah, I always start out way overly optimistic and then get slapped in the face by the cold hard reality that most people can't even read 10 paragraphs without complaining it gave them a headache.

Some day I hope you think back to this post and an overwhelming sense of shame flows through you before giving yourself a break because everyone has room to grow and the fact that you're embarrassed shows that you have.

It's great you don't want to play with me, you're exactly the type of person I don't want to play with either, which was the entire point of the thread. I just don't understand why you felt the need to reply saying this isn't how you prefer to play. Thanks for the bump.

I've never understood why people are so proud of their inability to read a handful of paragraphs that they feel compelled to tell everyone they can't do it. I'm further perplexed as why someone who didn't take the time to read something would take the time to reply that they didn't read it. It used to bother me but now I just say, "Hey, whatever floats your boat, thanks for the bump." However, my post is anything but a wall of text. It employs proper punctuation, spacing, spelling, and grammar; in short it's the polar opposite of a wall of text. Thanks for the bump.