Kailmanson: "Everybody and there brother is doing Force Sweeps for 6k. Force Leap -- Force Sweep 6k booooom done." Then Kailmanson: My buddy Dargos is hitting for 6k atleast 2-3 times per warzone. Then I still get hit for over 5k by Smash Predictions I get hit for 4k once per warzone, I get hit by roughly 3k once a day, I get hit for 2.5k'ish once a week.

Rofl, you're bad.

At no point did I disagree with you, you are 100% correct that we are worse than all other classes. What I am trying to tell you is that you don't need to make up a bunch of fantasy, over exaggerated facts to say it. Speak your mind and if you use numbers and examples at least get them right. How do you not understand this?

So basically, you dont understand that your class needs to be above 70% ammo and/or you dont understand at what point you should start burning ammo towards the end of the fight. Thank you for clearing that up. You do not need to "burn denova mobs" down in either 8 or 16 man, you will have two tanks, as depicted by the first two sets of bosses, if your tanks are unable to handle the mobs or your dps is unable to cc/target correctly then that is your issue, AOE is a luxury that usually leads to chaos. Our grav round debuff comes as a side effect of a necessary skill which takes up the majority of our rotation, we don't need to stop and cast it to be viable, its always up. If you are failing to understand that you are not playing correctly, thanks for trying though. I am in full rakata and have been for over a month, please don't feed me metrics, I am well aware of what damage we do. You seem to be making a lot of numbers up here to support your ridiculous theories, I suppose this is just another one to go with them? It was over a week and it was widely known that we were getting a double increase from a 5 stack vortex at 25% x 2 = 50%. This isn't some new information, this is something that has been tested time and time again and confirmed in a dev response. For someone min/maxing his equipment and recording exact (ridiculous) figures for other skills I thought perhaps you might have noticed this, but alas you didn't, because you're spouting rubbish and clearly have not been following our issues or discussions. Again, stop spreading useless misinformation when real issues exist. Many thanks.

Answers above for you, we do have genuine issues with our class and we are in a dire state at the moment, I would however appreciate if you gathered some rational information and presented it in a proper way here instead of spreading useless, factless garbage to the community.

The issue here is not whether you are viable in a team, the issue is how viable you are versus another class. Why are you taking up a spot of a player who can decimate others while still protecting points/capping doors/less deaths/more kills/more damage/more healing and so on... Our class is broken, naive people here "accepting" all the nerfs while saying thank you Bioware are the real issue. We are bad, we need to speak up or re-roll to be viable again.

They are too busy implementing armour pieces for the most neglected class in the game (lol), Sentinel and Marauder.

Patch notes, they got a 5% buff on PVE DPS abilities. So that's a 10% disparity now.

There has definitely been a change, if you played with elara healing you, as many of us have, for a long time - you would see what's going on.

I'd also like to stress that the Red Eclipse (Where out guild has been playing since day 1) has a very healthy pve and pvp community based around an outside forum: http://www.redeclipse.eu

Naive and spreading advice. Great.

Are you kidding me? We have been asking for legitimate utility for MONTHS, in fact before the game was even released most commando discussions on the forums revolved around lack of utility. The time has come and gone for Bioware to give our sub-par class anything to work with, running on the same lame "you have heavy armour and heals" junk. The only avenue left for us to pursue is taking away other classes utility to dumb it down to the pathetic level we are reduced to, just to get by. Here are some facts for you, heavy armour counts for NOTHING in the current pvp game, self heals are NOT efficient at all in any way during combat and are only used as a padder while waiting to leave combat and regen after the fight is over, and these days its usually not needed because we're releasing.

^ Winning every wz as marauder.

If all classes are "killed" they will end up equal, and I have not claimed anything outlandish in my post, he did. My post was a direct response.

I really enjoy reading "testimonials" from people like you because I can come back in 2 months when your class has been normalized, search your posts and there's a 80% chance you're raging and crying into your keyboard while telling everyone to quit. I play Gunnery Commando, wanna swap characters for a day? You will literally not believe how bad we are. Keep spewing though, makes your incoming nerf even more enjoyable.