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  1. Everything anyone's heard about the TV series is moot. It's on indefinite hold, the 'official' info is probably full of misinformation, and it probably won't happen as a live-action show. They seem to be unwilling to compromise for whatever 'grandiose' plans they've got for it, leading to outrageous budgets (individual episodic budgets that would basically fund several episodes if not entire seasons of other sci-fi-type shows). I'm hoping they'll just turn it to CG animation ala TCW, and rework it somewhat in the process. Focusing on smugglers, bounty hunters, etc is fine; focusing on Vader is a BAD idea (and that was never in the plans; all movie characters were said to be absent aside from a cameo here & there, presumably from the likes of Vader, Palpatine, and Boba--but none of the main characters were ever to be from the films). Focusing on Boba Fett's probably a bad idea, too. As for Force-users... if Ahsoka survives, she'd probably give up relying on the Force as any overt use of it is basically a red flag saying "Jedi traitor! Send in the stormtroopers!". She'd cease to be a Jedi (tho, again, some people like Padme don't consider Padawans to be 'Jedi'). And as Ahsoka's NOT a film character, she wouldn't invalidate the old statements that film characters wouldn't be featured much at all in the series... but I consider all info moot as it's on hold and will probably get revamped if ever it moves forward again. Ahsoka not being in Episode 3 or being MENTIONED in Episode 3 doesn't mean she has to die. It doesn't even mean she needs to have fled/gone into exile. She COULD still be a Padawan at the time of Ep3; all that entails is her being reassigned, either to some mission that wouldn't require Anakin to worry about her during the events of Ep3, or being reassigned to another master entirely, meaning he'd have no major reason to even reference her. He'd probably deal with any emotions surrounding her being removed from his tutelage within TCW itself, not dwell on it in Ep3. Her death, though, would likely hit him much harder and be a more noticeable absence with him not even referencing it in Ep3. So it's perfectly feasible for Ahsoka to survive TCW, survive Order 66, even survive into & beyond the OT. There's nothing in the films or EU to say she cannot survive all that.
  2. Even if she survives to Order 66, that doesn't mean she dies during it. Order 66 didn't kill "all Jedi in the galaxy but Yoda & Obi-Wan". It just killed MOST of the Jedi, enough to break the Jedi Order. The EU goes further into it, with Palpatine not worrying about any leftovers (whether a handful or even a couple hundred) because the Jedi Order is gone, their reputation tarnished, and the galaxy is his. He's got most of the Senate convinced the Jedi were traitors. He's got the Imperial propaganda machine in his control. He's got Vader slaughtering a half-dozen Jedi on Kessel with some timely assistance from the 501st, now expanded to Vader slaughtering over a dozen on Kessel single-handedly (and other stories exaggerating Vader's role in hunting down Jedi after the temple massacre). Vader does still go out and hunt down Jedi, but not very many. So Jedi survivors aren't very important. They're no longer organized. A scattered handful can't possibly pose a threat to the Empire; Obi-Wan & Yoda only do so because they're watching over Anakin's kids. And since most don't have the same strength of purpose that Yoda & Obi-Wan have, most Jedi survivors effectively quit being Jedi. They abandon their teachings, their robes, their sabers, and do all they can to blend in, make a new life without relying on the Force so much. Ahsoka can easily be written into that group. And what about what Yoda says in ROTJ? About Luke being the last? Doesn't that absolutely mean the Jedi that weren't killed in Order 66 were definitely hunted down by Vader later? No. Because if they quit being Jedi, went into hiding, started new lives... then they're no longer Jedi in Yoda's eyes. And Ahsoka, she's a Padawan, unlikely to be knighted by war's end (she'd be about 16, and Anakin--the Chosen One--was already unusual by being knighted at 19). Many people don't consider Padawans to be Jedi anyway, like Padme in AOTC (one of the dumbest lines in the film, and that's saying something), or Yoda himself in ROTJ: "Then I am a Jedi." "Not yet!" Even if 100 former Jedi are still alive at the time of ROTJ, scattered around the galaxy, Yoda's statement is still true...from a certain point of view (you know, that little trick Ben explained to Luke RIGHT AFTER Yoda's dying words?). Bottom line, people that think she MUST be dead (or even leave the Order) by Episode III/Order 66 are mistaken. Same way people that insisted Padme MUST die ('must', not 'will') in Episode III were mistaken.
  3. Of course he wasn't named after the movie character, because when he was born he had a completely different name. He changed it later. You can do that, you know -- legally get your name changed.
  4. Still, by the time his mother died, Palpatine had already sunk his claws deep in Anakin's mind. Anakin's 'weakness' was likely nurtured by Palpatine over the years, poisoning him by promoting the notion that the Jedi feared his potential, that they were holding him back, that they were jerks for not rescuing his mother from slavery... well, maybe not that last one, as it'd open up Anakin to asking the Chancellor to do something about that himself! Granted Palpatine would probably have a 'Tatooine's Hutt-controlled so my hands are tied, the bureaucracy would never allow it' excuse at the ready. Anyway, the point stands that Anakin's visions of Padme dying in childbirth likely WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED if Palpatine hadn't been influencing him for so long (if Palpatine wasn't using the Force to give Anakin the nightmare visions in the first place!)! And Padme's life was only in peril in those visions because Anakin was gonna choke her and break her heart & will to live (poorly executed tho it was). If Anakin had not fallen to the dark side, had not joined the Sith, then Padme would've never been betrayed & nearly choked to death by him, and she'd have deliver the babies just fine and lived to raise them.
  5. It's not even the consequences of Anakin's relationship with Padme... it's the consequences of his relationship with Palpatine! If Anakin & Palpie weren't friends, if Palpatine hadn't been influencing him for years... then Anakin never would've had those visions of Padme dying. Many even argue that Palpatine himself CAUSED the dreams directly (he references them, I think, before Anakin goes to tell Mace about Palpie being Sith), so without Palpatine everything would've been fine. Even Anakin's arrogance was in large part fed by Palpatine's praise and 'guidance'.
  6. "Why isn't X planet in the game?" Answer: EXPANSIONS. Or patches, too.
  7. Ben Skywalker, as a concept alone, is just too perfect to pass up. Of COURSE Luke would name his son Ben. What little I read of Fate of the Jedi, I liked Ben. I skipped Dark Nest and LOTF, but Ben alone is worth having Luke get hitched... the fact that Mara Jade was pretty damn cool, too, doesn't hurt. Anyway, Lucas and his ideas of post-ROTJ and whatnot always change. Now he claims he never thought about it, but decides to be all "Get off my lawn" about Clone Palpatine, Luke getting married, etc (though according to Tom Veitch, Lucas himself either approved or SUGGESTED the idea of a cloned Palpatine for Dark Empire back in the day). He's adopted an ultra-simplistic view of his universe, where it's just "Happily Ever After except Luke never has baby Jedi of his own" after the Emperor dies, as evidenced by the "immediate galaxy-wide celebration, even on Coruscant which you'd think would be full of Imperial diehards". But once upon a time, he DID have thoughts of the post-VI universe... of course, back then the Emperor would've survived until Episode IX. His thoughts may change again. Look at The Clone Wars. Tons of stuff in it that differ greatly from what's presented in the films, not ALL great maybe, but overall far superior to a lot of what went on in the PT. So there's always hope he can change his mind and not just give a kneejerk "Eh, I don't wanna think about it so it's just like THIS and that's it" reaction to some of the post-ROTJ stuff. But the basic distinction of "Movies as one universe, EU is another alternate universe in which the movies still happened exactly the same" works. Movie purists just need to recognize that whenever you move outside the movie timeline, be it in a book, game, toy, etc, you're shifting universes. You can't bash Jedi for having red, yellow, white, or magenta lightsabers by saying "It's only green & blue like the movies!", because you're not in the movies anymore, Sparky.
  8. You seem to be under the impression that the EU authors, and the Lucasfilm personnel who approved all of the stories, went out of their way to contradict the movies... ...they didn't. When Dark Empire was created, there was no Prophecy, there was no Chosen One, Vader was not the main character of the entire Saga, and there was no Darth Sidious. There weren't even many references to Sith, aside from Vader being called one in a few places. There was just Emperor Palpatine, a powerful user of the dark side. There was the explosion of purple energy which seemed a bit off to many when the Emperor died in ROTJ, a perfect element for Tom Veitch to latch onto to explain Clone Palpie. Dark Empire originated as a story for Marvel's Star Wars series in the late '80s, and according to Wookieepedia originally featured an impostor in Vader's armor used by the Empire to spread fear in many star systems. Lucas himself is reportedly the one who vetoed the idea and either suggested or approved (PERSONALLY!) the notion of cloning Palpatine. Remember, this was in the late '80s, or 1990 at the latest. Zahn's refusal to work Dark Empire in as backstory for his Thrawn Trilogy forced Dark Horse to push the timeframe to a year AFTER the Thrawn Trilogy (instead of months after the end of the Marvel series, which ended shortly after the Battle of Endor), which led to the jarring disconnect between the novels & comics. Not only that, but Lucas apparently had planned for Luke to have children of his own in the sequel trilogy... but of course that was back in the very early '80s before Return of the Jedi was decided to be the final film. George changes his mind. A lot. Now, he apparently thinks Luke will be a reclusive hermit like Yoda or Ben, training Leia and then her kids and that's it. He's also gotten kinda BORING in his advanced age, in many ways (look at the Jedi garb in the PT... in the early '80s, Luke's Return of the Jedi black suit was 'the uniform of a Jedi Knight', but in 1999 we discovered that Ben's Tatooinian 'hermit clothes' were the real 'uniform', and nearly every Jedi dressed in minor variations of them!) EU was made as a way to extend the franchise, and part of its revival in 1991 (after the Marvel comics ran out) was so George could test the waters and see if there was still enough interest in Star Wars out there. The 2nd phase of that testing was the Shadows of the Empire multimedia 'movie without a movie' event, 3rd phase were the Special Editions but by then he knew the interest was great and Episode I was being filmed. It wasn't just a 'cash grab' or a way to milk the franchise. But George's hands-off approach and without much quality control on Lucasfilm's/Bantam's part, the EU wandered down many a dark alley in the '90s and got lost several times, which only got more confusing as time went on. Then the Prequels happened, and now suddenly certain things in the EU looked out of place (or MORE out of place). Now Corran Horn's family history & timeline needs to be revised, cuz hey! The Clone Wars happened just 20 years before the Battle of Yavin and only lasted a few years, not a decade-plus struggle set 30 or 40 years before Yavin. Obi-Wan's now only 57 in ANH, not REALLY old. Anakin's now only in his mid-40s when he dies, not around the same age as Obi-Wan. Vader didn't hunt down & kill Jedi, he just went to the temple and killed everyone there, clones serving Jedi generals out in the field took care of most of the rest. Now Luke & Leia, 30-ish years AFTER Endor, can finally learn about their mother and her fate. Now Luke can learn more history of the Jedi Order and of its fall. And now Palpatine being reborn looks even sillier and 'lore-breaking'. However, as Mara Jade pointed out in Zahn's "Hand of Thrawn" duology, it's possible that Clone Palpatine wasn't really Darth Sidious at all. He could've just been a mad clone similar to Joruus C'baoth; powerful, but not the real deal. An echo at best. And there's a perfectly easy way to rationalize Lucas' silly idea of 'balance' meaning 'no Sith/dark side' (when in the past, he considered it more of a yin/yang thing as many in this thread seem to) and the EU's idea of 'hey, there's all these Sith out there still', and the Darth Plagueis novel basically handed it to us: the Banite Sith, the 'Rule of Two' Sith, THEY are the ones who caused the imbalance, specifically Plagueis and Sidious when they attempted to create life using the dark side. That caused the cancer to spread across the Force, diminishing the Jedi Order's abilities, allowing the Sith to rise. The Banites and nearly all their knowledge was lost once Vader chucked Sidious over the rail. A'Sharad Hett learning ancient Sith teachings from a holocron and/or Vergere, Lumiya passing on her limited knowledge to Jacen Solo, and the Lost Sith did what they did on their lost world... none of that was enough to cause an imbalance. None of them corrupted the Force in any of their evil acts like Sidious and his master when they attempted to create life with the dark side. So the balance was restored when Sidious was killed. His clones, whether really him or not, couldn't accomplish what he'd once set out to do with his old master and what he may have tried again with Luke at his side as Vader's successor. Luke wasn't with him long enough in Dark Empire to learn enough to tip the scales anyway. For all intents and purposes, the Banite Sith ended at Endor, and the Chosen One fulfilled the prophecy.
  9. Mara didn't die in Legacy of the Force 1 - Betrayal. She died in Legacy of the Force 5 - Sacrifice. As to the others, their deaths haven't been written yet because the books haven't progressed far enough in the timeline, yet. Fate of the Jedi just wrapped up. Big surprise, the good guys live! That's as far as we've gotten in the timeline, aside from LEGACY which takes places almost a century after that. All we know about Luke's death is that he gets his father's gift of choosing his afterlife image, as his Force-spirit looks like a youthful Luke, not a 60+ year-old Luke. Killing off Luke, Leia, or Han would be a major event in a Star Wars book, even if it were illness or old age that did it. We may not see it happen; Del Rey may just quit at a certain point, and leave the galaxy alone for a time after Jag Fel's been made Emperor and Jaina (or another Jedi, possibly, one who disagrees with the direction of Luke's Order or just really digs Fel's take on things in the Empire, and Jaina grudgingly goes along with it) starts up the Knights of the Empire organization. That way 'nothing major' will happen for a period of decades, allowing a few generations to pass before the Fel Empire grows corrupt from within, under the Emperor's nose, and allies with the One Sith to take back the galaxy in LEGACY. And that's fine by me! Let Han, Leia, and Luke (and Lando!) get 'offscreen' deaths, at some unknown point in the 'peaceful' period. He reestablishes the Jedi Order when he's in his 30s, actually. It's all chronicled in a number of books. By the time Luke's in his 60s, the New Jedi Order is already well-established!
  10. Yoda's race is meant to be a mystery, and as such very few members of his species are ever encountered in Star Wars properties: we've got Yoda and Yaddle in the Saga (Yaddle's the female of his species on the Jedi Council in Episode I), Master Vandar Tokare in the KOTOR franchise, Master Oteg in TOR, and Minch, a Jedi Knight who was probably a contemporary of Yoda who tracked a Bpfasshi Dark Jedi Master to Dagobah and killed him (creating the dark side cave below the tree, basically, tho I think Zahn said Yoda did that himself in the Thrawn Trilogy). Minch's story was potentially non-canon, as it was intended--I think--to be a story about Yoda as a young Jedi Knight; "Minch" was Yoda's given name in the early story treatment for Episode V, and in some other early drafts. Lucasfilm's since said that Minch isn't Yoda, nor is it part of his name; it's just a Jedi Knight of the same species around the same time, and the character's now canon since he was mentioned in another source beyond Star Wars Tales. And no, Yoda's species aren't "the Whills" from the ol' "Journal of the Whills" thing.
  11. What about Kit? He doesn't die in the series, he dies in that horribly-staged office battle with Sidious in Ep3. What popular characters? Most that die do so in the first episode they appear in... Nahdar Vebb, Commander Fil, Master Ima-Gun Di, Captain Keeli... some others may have been in a couple-episode arcs, and then buy it: 99, Captain Argyus, General Krell (note the last two are villains). There's also Echo who was in several episodes and advanced quickly to ARC Trooper status, then died foolishly in the Citadel arc. Am I forgetting some popular Jedi? Or other major player?
  12. No. Nobody knows what happens to Rex or Ahsoka by series' end or even if they'll make it to Order 66, that's why we're speculating here. Based on Ahsoka's development, it's possible she'll fall to the dark side or leave the Order, among many other fates. Based on Rex, he's learning that regulations don't mean everything and that it's NOT always the best thing to follow orders, so it's quite possible he'd ignore Order 66 regarding any Jedi near him (which would most likely be Ahsoka). And we have no idea whether Filoni and crew will even SHOW any Ep3 or Order 66 events in TCW. It could end BEFORE all that happens, and Ahsoka's fate will have nothing to do with Order 66 (and would likely mean she'd survive it, if she's still living by series' end). IMO, assuming she'll die in Order 66 isn't thinking things through very well. Her destiny lies elsewhere, either quitting the Jedi well before Order 66, dying before Ep3, or being one of the many Jedi who actually DO survive Order 66 and just quit being Jedi in order to hide.
  13. It kinda reads like you think the book was a huge hit which led to the game, comics, toys, soundtrack, etc, which may not have been your intent... for purposes of clarification, all of that AND the book hit around the same time. It was all planned as a 'movie without a movie' and was somewhat testing the waters for the Prequels and the impending merchandise-bonanza it promised. The massive multimedia nature of Shadows is part of the reason the book was so successful. Also, unlike the post-ROTJ successes of the Thrawn Trilogy and the like, Shadows not only featured the OT heroes (minus Han) but VADER too. That probably played a part in its success, too. Personally I felt it was all too much, way too much happening in the months between ESB and ROTJ, and I didn't like how they conveniently found a replacement-Han (aside from Lando) in Dash Rendar, or really how the bounty hunter disguises came about, or that Luke was involved somewhat in the mission that actually netted the Death Star plans. But I dug the design of the Coruscant Guards, and Luke & Lando disguising themselves as a pair echoing Luke & Han on the first Death Star. I should re-read it, it's been awhile so time has probably colored my perceptions a bit. You can come close, though... TCW's had some outstanding Star Wars. With a better budget behind 'em, SW animated films based on existing EU stories could be spectacular. CG, traditional, ultra-stylized, it depends on the story... anime-style (which itself encompasses a WIDE array of styles), DCAU-style, Clone Wars Microseries-style, lots of other styles, would work really well. All the ships would no doubt be CG, and it might work better if droids like R2 and 3PO were as well, at least. The Thrawn Trilogy roughly follows the framework of the OT films (starting with a Star Destroyer, usually ending with characters gathered together or staring off into space, etc) but maybe it'd work better as a limited series ala Avatar: The Last Airbender, PLANNED to only last a certain amount of time. A three-season series, with each season covering one of the books of the trilogy. That might be overkill, though... I wouldn't mind some films for Rogue Squadron. Perhaps an animated series, which could draw from the comics as well as the novels. The Han Solo Adventures could be fun, as well as the Han Solo Trilogy. If Shatterpoint was made, then you could go ahead and make Luke Skywalker & the Shadows of Mindor! Well you could do the latter without Shatterpoint, there'd just be no developed backstory for Nick Rostu and Kar Vastor.
  14. Rex already IS part of the 501st... he's just not with Anakin at the temple. But according to the Battlefront 2 storyline, units of the 501st are assigned all over the galaxy, and even in ROTS we see that different clone units are present in certain places (the gray-trimmed 'Coruscant clones' that are standing around when Yoda goes to meet the Wookiee representative--a group many like myself consider to be Commander Gree's 41st in non-jungle gear before heading to Kashyyyk--are also seen in the background of the Utapau battle which is mostly full of Cody's orange-trimmed 212th. One of the grays is apparently boxing a battle droid There are more Jedi running around than Yoda let on to Luke, but for various reasons most of them are not considered 'Jedi' by Yoda. With Ahsoka, it could simply be that she never faced her trials to become a Knight (which in Padme's eyes is when someone starts being a Jedi--one of the dumbest lines from her in AOTC). With most, it's probably that they turned their backs on the Force and/or their Jedi ideals and essentially 'quit' to find new careers, family, etc, in order to survive. Those that still acted as Jedi--the idiot on the steps of the temple in the final issues of REPUBLIC who got gunned down by clones after his foolish attempt at rallying others to his cause, or Dass Jannir in Dark Times--draw the attention of the Empire. Those who hide, like Kai Hudorra or the Padawan he was left in charge of after Order 66, or Quinlan Vos who worries more about his new family, they probably survive, but they're not really 'Jedi'. They put it behind them as a safety precaution. Yoda & Obi-Wan masquerade as hermits, but in their hearts they're still remaining Jedi so they'll be ready when the Force tells them it's time to train Luke and/or Leia. They have a plan, a reason to remain Jedi. None of the rest really do, not in the same way. Those that try to concoct a plan usually wind up like the group at Kessel in "PURGE": dead.
  15. Reverse that: he was given membership on the Council--Palpatine's orders--but was NOT granted title of Master. He was upset because Council members were supposed to be Jedi Masters as a rule, so by getting placed there he felt he deserved an automatic promotion. (EU previously thought Ki-Adi-Mundi was merely a Jedi Knight in Episode I--for no reason I can think other than he wasn't wearing a long robe like the rest of the Council, or maybe Dark Horse or Lucasfilm wanted to have a Knight rather than a Master to star in the first ongoing "Star Wars" comic series arc, but that's all been retconned). A lot of people were under that impression, but really all that is NECESSARY is that she's removed from Anakin as a Padawan. If she's transferred to another master for whatever reason, that's enough to say "Okay, now there's no reason for her to be seen or mentioned in ROTS". That's not to say her fate isn't important, it just has no reason to be shown in Ep3 (the biggest reason, of course, being that she wasn't invented yet). Even if she & Anakin were still friendly, he & Obi-Wan have no reason to mention them. Even if Rex, too, is still alive, there's no reason to mention him as he's probably on some other assignment similar to the General Krell situation: assigned to another general. Anakin had no need of troops during Ep3 until the assault on the temple, where we've been told Appo is the commander in charge. That doesn't mean Rex is dead, it just means he's elsewhere... and if Ahsoka was on assignment somewhere else with her own unit, it's quite possible Rex was with her. Ahsoka is like Padme: people ASSUME they HAVE TO/HAD TO die. Even before Episode II, people were saying "Well Padme HAS to die in Episode III, she's not in the OT." They were idiots to assume that, because Leia's own words said Padme lived for a time, and died BETWEEN trilogies. But Lucas doesn't pay attention to what he's already done except to make unnecessary changes to it, so he proved the idiots right, unfortunately. Ahsoka, though, need not suffer the same fate. ALL THAT IS NECESSARY is removing her from Anakin's side. There are MANY ways it can be accomplished aside from killing her off.
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