Will you people do something right for once, *** do we pay you for?! So ******* sick of Bug after bug after ******* bug. do you so desperately want people to quit?

God i dont want to play a game with bloody pandas in it. But to pay money to have BW Piss in my face and call it pvp just isn't worth my time. I love starwars and thats what made me stick around for another month, but this just Bad. nearly every aspect of this games pvp has me swearing at the monitor. Maybe ill try Rift again. That game seemed pretty polished.

Spent all weekend pvping, a total of 18hours... Geeeh what a grind. so in 3 days I got 5 items... yay right? Nope, they were all gloves. Annnnd Uninstalled. Guess its back to the craft. Sorry guys ill miss you

Agreed, This is getting silly, Ive been pvping for 6 hours now and have had 3 wins, every other game has been joined in 2/3 or 1/2 over because ppl are just giving up.... This game is just running out of reasons to play... &*(^$@

(THE FOLLOWING COMES FROM A CONCEALMENT SPECCED OP.) Sorry for the length. After the past few days of reading nothing but Cry threads over the death of MY/OUR class that in all honesty, We all know had a VERY powerful opener (and by VERY I mean VERY, VERY.) Ive come to the conclusion that this class is going through the same transition as the Rogue back in Vanilla WoW. *shudder* I don't bring up WoW for many reasons here but this is too similar of a situation. A 1-2-3 button class. -Here is a quick video (NOT MINE. I TAKE NO CREDIT.) of the current power of a Concealment specced Op. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ica7SGhjFBw (A little silly we can all honestly admit... Come on guys and gals I can't hear you... Current conception of the Class via a good 95% of OUR OPs community: -"My job is to KILL the high priority targets only." -"My job is to Open on the supporting class of the high priority target." -"My Job is to Open on the Target assaulting the objective and kill it." -"My responsibility is to lurk around the outskirts of an ongoing fight (NEVER DIRECTLY ENGAGE) and pick off Fleeing/High priority targets." -"AVOID Combat that Links me to more then 1 target, thus avoiding becoming locked in combat prohibiting re-stealth." -"AVOID ENGAGING a target unless appropriate cool downs are available." -"ONLY ENGAGE in Combat if victory is guaranteed." - Etc. You all get the Idea. These "rules of engagement" are not Incorrect don't get me wrong. But are such a small and 2 dimensional way of looking at your/my class. How we SHOULD be Viewing the Responsibilities of our Class. -Killing the High priority Target (Requires a team effort. The responsibility is not just on us.) Assisting the Juggs/marauds/sins Is VERY effective. it is VERY easy to blend in with them. WE DON'T USE EASILY NOTICED SABERS! YAY!!. The ability to eliminate a target in a handful of Globals is unnecessary and makes for sloppy/lazy gamers, leading to lazy non-dynamic game play. Promotion of this type of game becomes Boring and frustrating at the same time for all. -Killing Support. Again, falls to all DPS/Hybrid classes/specs. The Responsibility is not just Our burden!! -Attacking targets taking/assaulting objective points. EVERYONE'S JOB regardless of class spec. THIS IS OBJECTIVE BASE COMBAT. NOTHING ELSE MATTERS BUT THE OBJECTIVE. Sacrificing yourself is Primary when Defending/Taking a Point. OUR Survival is SECONDARY. ESCAPE IS NEVER AN OPTION AT THE COST OF GIVING UP A POINT. REMEMBER THIS PLEASE. Cowardice losses WZ's, remaining stealthed is Shameful. The Greatest thing the Devs have done for this game is leaving OUT the killing blow counter. THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU! -We are a Melee based STEALTH class BLESSED with an IN COMBAT HEAL!! WOW! this is "Home Alone" face slapping amazing! HAVING YOUR CAKE, EATING TOO, THEN EATING THE KID BESIDE YOU PIECE TOO!! while I will agree with you, Spamming it while letting a jugg/maraud beat on you is a very ineffective use of it. HOWEVER, the Devs were so kind to make terrain more then just a flat slab. If caught in a bad situation, Use line of sight. LOS is that Immunity bubble we all have access too. DONT FEAR IT! Flash bang/debilitate +sever tendon is VERY effective at pealing off that nasty melee to buy time to get that health differential back to a manageable level. and if it is still too hairy, Cloaking screen. Don't forget, We have not 1 escape! (Escape) but our passive "avoidance training" turns our (Evasion) into a 2nd!! Dots Chewing away at you and no time to heal? Toxin scan! (I know it doesn't work on every debuff unless speced, but it will help i promise!!) Shield probe/Sleep dart/CROUCH even! (I know a good 99% of you ops haven't used this since lvl 10! USE IT. ITS FREE RANGED DMG MITIGATION) are more utility given to our class I know you can all find uses for! -WE ARE SO MUCH MORE THEN MURDERERS! remember how I said this is Objective based pvp? I see SOOO MANY Ops JUST Killing when We could be assisting the Ball carrier (eg. huttball) by doing more then stalking people. WE ARE STEALTH = PERFECT CHERRY PICKERS!!! The Most deadly Ops I see are NOT the ones killing people then vanishing. We all re-spawn... We Don't however all Score. Since we can cherry pick and remain in enemy territory indefinably We make perfect forward pass Targets and Juggernaut INTERCEDE anchors. We can also be the END-ZONE RECEIVER that CANT be intercepted since the enemy team will only guard/kill what they see. -Even if we aren't Specced to heal. HEAL YOUR HIGH PRIORITY ALLIES WHEN NEEDED. this is coming from a CONCEALMENT spec Op! We Can SAVE LIVES JUST AS QUICK AS WE TAKE THEM. That little extra heal can be the difference between a goal or a turnover. Defending a point or giving it up. Our Roll is ever Changing with the Battle. We have to be always Adapting. Shifting from Slaughterer to Savior. Back up Healer too Back bone of a perfect pass touchdown!! Guys And Gals. I PROMISE YOU. They can Nerf our Opener to the GROUND. HELL, They can Take it AWAY if they want! LET THEM! We are Still and Always will be the most versatile class on that field regardless of which it is. Able to achieve victory Regardless of the roll we must fill. We are only Limited by our imagination and confidence Behind this Class I will embrace this upcoming patch because I know it will make me a better OP. Will you Evolve?

Since we're still in Beta and BW doesn't quite know what to do with the game yet.

Simple. I had a shower and Ate breakfast for it. Im that much closer to BM and none of the republic I wasent around to kill are any closer... so where is the competition and faction balance in that. In all seriousness though. If there is no roll back and you are still subbed, go to the Imp fleet and see just how many BMs there are now... The scale is so heavily tipped in our favor. Why would anyone STILL play Republic for pvp in an MMO so heavily invested in PVP?

Please ***** The Valor I got yesterday wasen't earned at all I should not have jumped from 35-51 while sitting afk in a world pvp zone when it took me a month to earn what i had. We Imps already have a numbers Advantage, I dont want a gear advantage. I dont like Republic, I wont reroll to help balance. not what i paid for. But a legion of battlemasters vs whatever they have. no thanks

3 years of waiting, 1 month to quit

Thank you for the Input Everyone, I don't want to Start a flame war. Just needed to Burn off some frustrations Ive been having with the class and core mechanics. I relieved to know the issues being looked into I havent had much time for forum searching lately. I was just hoping to feel like Darth Vader in Pvp but rather feeling as cumbersome as 3P0.

Maybe Its just me, but the Ability Delay in this game is Absolutely slaughtering me(at least I hope its the game and i haven't suffered brain dmg at some point and no ones told me). I'm just being kited to death and i feel powerless to close the gap. By the time i get in range of Smash(rage build so this IS my Spike dmg), it takes several seconds to activate and the target is already long gone/I'm CCed. And That's all I'm trying to do. As soon as I land, I use My snare, and try and smash and am having such Abysmal luck at it. Is this just me? I cant figure out what I'm doing wrong. Ive been told its the Defecting animation that is causing this. I don't know. Another thing is the talent tree/ability list feels like lies. Maybe just bugs I don't know: Force Alacrity: Reduces the cooldown on "ALL" force abilities by 3 seconds (at rank 2) while in Shii-cho Form. However, "FORCE" charge"- remains at a constant 15 Seconds. keep in mind this is our only gap closer (with a respectable range) bar obliterate (limited to 10m) so reducing its cool-down is invaluable. And with CC being as long as it is. 10m is a very easy gap to create. (I'm not upset about CC timers. In fact I like the control it gives in the hands of skilled players) Force Crush: Progressively SLOWS the target from 60% to 10% movement speed over 5 seconds and deals (x) kinetic damage each second. At the end of the duration, the target is crushed and takes an additional (y) kinetic damage. I haven't seen this snare a GD thing. Savage kick: Does not Work. Pommel Strike: Does not Work. :mad: I'd love to see this game reach E-sports potential. But I don't see how that's possible with pvp this clunky, since pvp at that lvl requires split second discussions, Action/reaction. Not 5 globals to activate 1 ability, and Derping your way across your keyboard. That's like trying to watch my girlfriend try to play this god love'er. I LOVE, LOVE this game, I LOVE the star wars universe, but I love PvP more. I don't want to stop playing for another MMO that feels better but gosh darn it, this just feels... Frustratingly slow and just... Errrrr the words arent coming to me. Any other thoughts? (Leaving out the pvp gear system on this one... can't count the number of times Ive given my monitor the finger...) PS- I'm lvl 50 and rank 38. Thanks everyone for letting me vent. This is a great community atleast.