You said it wasn't fraud at all. You still haven't asked exactly what he did. I said that. I also said he also did it in swtor chat. Just gonna pretend you didn't read that part? pretend that this is YOU informing ME of that? He neither impersonated nor defrauded me. Is that not completely clear? No it won't. It'll get you and ISP. then it's contacting his provider etc. Not something that can be done by anyone other than law enforcement. except hackers, employees, some others no doubt. All those people are not me. I *********** hate cops. They will kick in your door, shoot your dog, take your kids and throw you in a cage for playing poker. To do that you have to be as morally bankrupt as this scammer ******e. Mebbe more. Also, they'd laugh at me. They don't care about this ****. It doesn't make them money. AND, I don't necessarily want this guy's mother shot by a incompetent *********** pig. Never call the cops if you don't want someone shot and killed by and incompetent pig. apologies. Worse etiquette than cutting it all up and fixing it while you're replying to a post that no longer exists as it did when you hit reply? I made a mistake and thought it better to NOT fix it. None of this changes the fact that every single word I have said in this thread is 100% accurate to the best of my ability. (exceot the part of the impersonatee being from California... maybe ... so far I haven't broken anyone's anonymity and will try to keep it that way)

Someone else posted a legal definition of fraud which included the words "legal injury" I then posted a legal definition of the term "legal injury". It's already there on the thread. I'm not going to post it again. I will ask the question for a second time. Are you telling me the guy who gave away his entire guild bank didn't suffer damage to his reputation and/or dignity? you also ignored completely the California state law that prohibits impersonating people on electronic media. You just pretended like that didn't exist? Why don't you read the thread and join the conversation? I am quite certain the legal team knows laws are being broken. I don't know if the guy actually posted here and said what he told me which would make BIG difference to bioware's legal culpability. But... why would I let them figure out if it's illegal? I'm a smart guy. I can do my own thinking AND I was actually there in guild chat and the vent channel. I know exactly what he said and who he claimed to be and who he claimed to be when he was busted about his first claim. I know all that and Bioware doesn't. So why would I have them tell me what it means? Who are you? Why do you hate facts? You never even asked me exactly what happened, what he said. You never even asked, yet you already know it's not a crime. How could you possibly? You clearly came here with a conclusion already and aren't bothering to intake new information. I know exactly what he said and who he claimed to be and who he claimed to be when he was busted about his first claim. I know all that and Bioware doesn't. So why would I have them tell me what it means? Who are you? Why do you hate facts? regardless of what bioware decides is the law. They can be very certain it will not be enforced the same way I can tell you I am smoking a big joint right now and have a 1/4 lb in my desk w/o any fear whatsoever that cops will kick in my door. So why would they do anything at all? If he did post those things here they would have to ban him so as not to be complicit and perhaps turn his information over to authorities. and let me make thie EXTREMELY CLEAR, they would do that not for stealing stabs but for impersonating someone else and committing fraud.. If he didn't than they have nothing and can do nothing. Doesn't change the facts of the situation. It IS Fraud. It IS illegal. Anything who says otherwise doesn't know what's going on or is not qualified to tie their shoes. OR... is a shill. Are you a shill?

Someone else posted a legal definition of fraud which included the words "legal injury" I then posted a legal definition of the term "legal injury". It's already there on the thread. I'm not going to post it again. I will ask the question for a second time. Are you telling me the guy who gave away his entire guild bank didn't suffer damage to his reputation and/or dignity? you also ignored completely the California state law that prohibits impersonating people on electronic media. You just pretended like that didn't exist? Why don't you read the thread and join the conversation?

You don't pay much attention do you? this conversation passed the idea of stabs being stolen property a long time ago. I was gong to clarify further but... Did you even read the post you quoted? A person needn't steal something to commit fraud. A person needn't help a person steal something to commit fraud. This has nothing at all to do with anything being stolen. and even if you refute what I didn't say in big red letters I still didn't say it. I am 100% sure that this person has committed fraud as defined by law. I am 50% sure that bragged about it on this forum and the mods deleted that post (he told me he did. I don't entirely trust him). And I am 99% sure that no legal action will ever come of it. The fact remains it IS a felony and continuing to facilitate his actions knowing what his intentions are is also a felony. (that's a period at the end of that sentence) I'm having a hard time understanding why you posted anything at all. Why are you talking about theft as if that was my position? I'm talking about fraud. Fraud is not theft. Fraud is unrelated to theft the same way murder is unrelated to theft and also painting toenails = unrelated. You could also toss the fraud argument and just go with impersonating. If for no other reason than this, his actions are criminal. There is no suspension of law in game. It's illegal to do on twitter, it's illegal to do over the phone, it's illegal to in writing and with no additional laws required, it's illegal to do in a chat window. AND it's always illegal to facilitate someone who admits to you up front he intends to use your assistance for the purpose of illegal activity. this last bit of law is California state law (they have one for every state I assure you) and the person he was impersonating to me is from San Diego. W/ most of the population being on both coasts and considering the time of day he was on there is a considerable chance that both the impersonator and the impersonatee both live in California which would make the above text the exact law he's breaking (among others).

Seems to me the problem with volunteer leaders is >80% of people are unqualified and those are the most likely to try to lead. I always assume the guy telling me what to do is an idiot, has no idea what class I am, what the other classes in the warzone are and/or that it even matters, has a very poor understanding of strategy and most especially... I probably don't like him anyway. Here's an example: The other day the volunteer leader insisted that one is enough to defend a point and later in the warzone insisted that if the other team's point is defended by a single player any random person can be reasonably expected to solo him in enough time to cap before his friends come. If you can't hold a point alone you suck and if you can't take a point alone you also suck. How can both those things possibly be true? they can't. he's a moron and if you start telling me what to do before I have checked out the group and decided for myself, I expect you're a moron too and in addition to being a moron you're a presumptuous self-centered ******e that's going to lead this team to ruin. There are a handful of people I will listen to, they very rarely bother and who can blame them, the warzones, much like the world, are full of morons. Much better to tell everyone in the WZ what YOU are doing so that they can factor that into their own decisions. I respect people who give me information. I detest and suspect people who order me around.

I have nothing written down that prevents me from stealing cars or helping others to do so but it's still illegal if I do. Which is why I'm trying to change the conversation. This guy was to be ignored by EA right up until he posted on the BBS about his intentions, that's when ignoring him became a crime in itself because they know full well he is using their subscription for crime. He bragged about it.

This doesn't address someone (whom they have full knowledge of) using their service for the explicit (oh he admits it readily, just ask him in vent) purpose of defrauding people. You don't have to get money for it to be fraud, you might only get the joy of defrauding people but it's still fraud and the people who chose their own actions based on that fraud have still been defrauded. This person has admitted freely to myself and others that he intends to use the service bioware provides him with in order to commit felonies. At this point it doesn't matter who owns the stabs. It's not illegal to rent someone your car, it IS illegal to rent someone your car if they have told you they intend to use it in a crime. And he has, stated quite clearly that he intends to use the SWTOR service for the purpose of committing a crime. definition: legal injury ... Injury may include physical hurt as well as damage to reputation or dignity,... anything at all can be argued as legal injury edit: You're telling me the individuals that gave away their entire guild bank haven't had damage to their reputation or dignity?

Depending on the specific piece, augmented rakata is as good as recruit. augmented 61+ is definitely better than recruit. I have a hard time believing PVErs who farm stabs are wearing anything less than augmented rakata. Mebbe people join warzones in their tionese but those people aren't farming stabs. I don't believe these people you are complaining about exist.

As opposed to silly things made up by authors... LOL THIS fiction is more accurate than THAT fiction, THAT fiction never has or will be.

LOL THIS is the most ridiculous. Quit crying that you got beat up in an alley for your sneakers, you've never sparred in a gym before against a willing opponent?

looking for zyphus thread. I didn't check the date but I thought it pretty strange it was first result. of course, first result was locked and redirected me to here. I came to talk about fraud today. I found what I was looking for in server specific forum.

those are crass guild names. I thought there were going to be funny names here. Not trailer trash guild names. You couldn't find any that you thought were funny that didn't have to do with underage pregnancy or *** to mouth?

I had a short discussion with this guy in our vent channel. Since bioware has removed threads I'm not going to bother looking for the post he claims bioware said they weren't going to do anything because he didn't break any laws. Rest assured bioware, Fraud is illegal. This guy told me he was someone that he is not so that he could get me to perform a service for him that I would not otherwise have done. (he didn't get our bank or even come close). That's fraud. It's illegal in all 50 states. End of story. Of course it's illegal. I suspect the only reason bioware isn't willing to turn his name over to authorites is because bioware is a bit of a fan of commintting fraud against their customers also. Remember 1.2 rwz... lies to get your money. Lying to get your money IS illegal. But it's the kind of crime bioware can get behind.

Both. unfortunately bioware doesn't see intentional fraud as a legitimate complaint whether against it's users or itself. Fraudulently separating someone from their possessions is A-OK with Bioware. it doesn't make them very different from at least 20 percent of the people in the world. There is no avoiding interacting with such organizations or individuals, but be aware. anything they say to get your money can be assumed to be only that, whatever it is they needed to say to get your money and not necessarily any form of truth.