Ye I was in the same boat when I started, but ater 50 I felt like hitting a stone wall. I just needed to look into builds, specs, gearing etc. to know how I'm able to be more useful for the team. Have fun bud, and keep harassing them healers for good . Cheers,

Hey man, same here except that I roll the 27/1/13 version (tbh I'm too lazy ro respec every time when I go for PvE ). Gear setting is about the same. I use Survivor pieces only for the chest and head slot. Will try the whole Stalker set soon. How much is your average DMG? Thanks for your comment Cheers,

Yeah, I knew it. I'm with you man. I'm pretty lazy too. I definitely need to try your build against lolsmashers and stunbubblers. Someone need to stop them.

Hey, another interesting build. Seems that we never run out of new builds, which I especially like in this class. I used 31/0/10, 27/1/13 and 23/1/17 so far. I roll 27/1/13 as of now, fully augmented Stalker/Survivor mix gear, threw out my shield generator just to see the difference. I've got no hard numbers, but so far i feel more useful in any situation (DMG numbers are up big time. I sit around 130-150k, and I usually don't participate in the biggestestest fights:p). Force in Balance became my fav (Slow Time was easier to use for me tho) simply because I'm capable of range interrupt capping etc. I've been thinking about allocating more points to Infiltration Tactics coz of the proc, I just need some more testing. All in all thank you for your reply, Cheers

Hey @NamikazeNaruto - pretty interesting build. I personally like that your build focuses on one strong purpose. Really want to see it in action. You got a Youtube channel or somtin? As I remember i saw you in one of Shinarika vids, or seen your vid somewhere...but might be mistaken, will check... When i rolled my char I got kinda attached to the pure KC build, then I decided to try different paths as well, so atm im rolling with 23/1/17 and only scratched its surface. I might try your build soon. Will examine your build closely but need to do some work now... Many thanks for your comment, Cheers

Hey Carth, im really glad when another dedicated 'rogue" shows up. I always roll stealthy classes in every RPG for ages, started with PnP rogues and stick to this since. I just can't help myself. Yeah playing a shadow is pure fun for me too. I'm not a vetaran of this game so we'll see how it goes in the future. My guess is, if I didn't get bored playing thief/roguelike classes so far, It's not gonna happen very soon. Sure we're in the same boat. I recently started to grind for PvP Stalker gear (got full WH Survivor) and messing around the items what to wear, stat changes, experimenting in the field and really enjoying it. Changed specs from 31/010 to 23/1/17, and I'm about to try 27/1/13. It's kinda exciting for me to see and follow up the changes in performance. The shield/absorbtion PvPwise is really a tough nut to crack. Read lots of theorycrafting about it, but I'm a bit unsure atm. I use shield atm and when I'll get the DPS gear I can start to compare result. Cheers,

Hmm, never seen that spec before. I just started to mess around with 23/1/17. I use it for both PvP and PvE just to see how this spec performs. So far I really like it. My damage output is slightly better (once I managed to reach 170k in Civil War, obviously the other team wasn't PWN, but still) and largely depends on my role (guarding or attackin mid etc.). I still need to get used to Force in Balance, but so far it feels worth to change from Slow Time, insta sap can be very useful in certain situations as well. Still need to figure out the best rotation etc. so way to go for me. +1 : I don't feel much more squishy, neither PvP or PvE (depends on healer/FP ofc). All in all: bb 31/0/10. Was kinda hard to change but now *me liking* the new spec. Big time.

Okay thx, then I'll try my builds in WZs and different FPs as well. Yeah, figures i need to memorize some builds. Might try field respec as needed. Thx a lot guys,

Hey guys, my question is: you need to respec every time you go for a PvE run? Or you can manage FP/Ops with PvP spec (my guess: not really)? It"s just a lot of hassle to me. Change gear, respec and then repeat etc. Worth to have two different toons for PvE/PvP or is there any better solution? Thx, Encut

Haha, nice! You're way ahead in terms of gearing. For real. Started to browse through your armory, very interesting choices there. Need to check the details, but me liking the stats/numbers. Thx, Encut

Another like-minded shadow! So you tanking in full DPS gear right? Which augments you use? Cant wait to get my WH stalker gear as well and start to experiment with different gear setups and mods . I completely agree with you about usefulnes, I just feel that need some extra DPS atm. Thx, Encut

Hey, many thanks for your answer. Which spec do you use in WZs? In case of full KC build (any version), you prefer Mental Fortitude or Applied Force? Cheers, Encut

tl;dr version: which spec and gear you use as a shadow tank in pvp, how you mod your gear, what stats are you focusing on augments? My spec: 31/0/10 (I know its not ideal, will switch to 27/1/13 soon) Gear: full WH Survivor with resolve augments (will/end), started to grind for stalker. Trying in Stalker hands and wrist now ( financial reasons) to see if is any (minimal) difference in damage output. Will try in full DPS gear, or modding from DPS gear. Stats: obviously I lack of Will so need some mods there, then power, surge and crit as well I added a screenshot with unbuffed stats. Edit: spec changed to 23/1/17 -------------------------- Hey fellow shadows, I'm just simply curious of your pvp tanking experience in general and like to hear your opinion/experience on specs, gear, modding and augmenting. I know there's a lot of useful threads around these topics with comments of veteran shadows like Shinarika and Kitru (and ofc more), but I'd like to dedicate this discussion narrowing down only to shadow pvp tanking. First of all i love my shadow, it wasn't love at first sight though for obvious reasons (sometimes pain levelling up, not being useful as a newbie at all etc.) After around lvl 40 now thats where the serious fun started. As a shadow tank I always play objectives (guarding nodes and healers, call incs, harassing enemies etc) even in Hypergates where guarding the node gets you nothing. Yeah somtimes It gets boring but eventually the fight will come for you, and playing objectives (that somtimes no one wants) can actually help the team to win. My favourite side of the shadow tank is that you can be the pain in the arse for your enemies. You got loads of skills to harass them, and if they get angry they'll make mistakes. I got this 'mazochistic' habit to harass smashers (no I don't wanna go there). Reason is if you keep going back to them they'll pursue you for good, and its beneficial for your teammates. Or pulling the ballhandler in huttball (one of my favs). Thing is i could write a novel about why I like being a shadow. For me is all a about finding your playstyle, have fun even if you lose (at least you tried), get the best out of your class. And yes, somtimes being smashed, mezzed etc. to the ground is pain and annoying. Truth to be told my shadow brings me back to play no matter what the FOTM is or how hard is to win. Have fun guys, Encut lvl 50 Shadow Tank TOFN

This: +1

OP you made my day. Ty man.