I can dig it! Maybe. But also the wrath has things stated about him like Revan was never as powerful a sith as he is now. That’s damn powerful. My main is Nox and we all know what a beast the sith inq becomes in the story - but either way I like the JK thinking!

I don’t know, again I haven’t read anything from any of the above posts that counters what the dialogue and the game itself actually says in regard to how much of a total beast and super crazy powerful character you are in SWTOR. Anything “but the in game happenings with our force user versus the Valkorion bunch in kotfe” says (literally... and over and over) that we are a total power house. And regarding kotet/kotfe etc what we see the force user go through again that seems to be a cross story issue from BioWare - and not representative of what the dialogue says and how the story is written. We also have more to come regarding what we see the outlander do. Despite the Jedi knight surpassing even anakins achievements (the guy with the THE most potential ever) even younger. When Anakin was older than our outlander he got whooped by obiwan. The JK slapped the voice of the emporor among other powerhouses around. There’s no answer to it really. Obvious choices are Luke and Palp and Valk. Tulak Hord Is the man if we reeeeaallly take the lore in to things. But the outlander might get solidified in there sooner rather than later. Going solely off the story and dialogue and the outlanders achievements he/she is already a giant contender.

Absolutely. I’m in 2 minds about that. Only because the general jist seems to be that ancient sith and force users are much more powerful. So given that our outlander is of an ancient era I kind of look at later eras as remnants of an old one. But I guess overall Luke is the one! Except for the most recent films Luke doing what the emporor did with force projection killed Luke and not the emporor. There’s always something. Also again the films decide not to show us what Luke is truly capable of. I hope the outlander doesn’t go the same way

This.

For sure, I left out chars like Abeloth and the Children. I mean more Jedi and Sith at least in beginning like Revan, Vader, palp, (just not Valk) Exactly though, we haven’t seen the outlander do CRAZY powerful things. But the outlander did do what Revan could not regarding the emporor. Also defeated Revan in the game. You also have in game dialogue from the likes of Valkorion saying how powerful you are “No one is more worthy of the throne than you, not even my children” or literally saying the outlander has the most potential of anyone. Empress Acina (gotta be damn powerful, she’s the empress. While I know it was circumstantial) admittedly says she is not powerful enough to beat Vaylin but that the Outlander is. So the dialogue says otherwise. And again, in the end I’m disappointed that we don’t see these amazing feats. But it is seemingly down to cross story matching in that regard. As dialogue and outcome keep having the outlander as the victor. The outlander is also nowhere near as old or studied as Valk or palpatine etc. So lots more to come. I believe BioWares intentions are to have us be the one. But it’s handled poorly. Same way force unleashed handled it poorly in the opposite direction with home boy pulling a star destroyer out of the sky. It’s down to oversights I can only hope BioWare show us our full power more dramatically in the future. Lastly video games rarely show the lead character as 2nd or 3rd best. So I doubt that’s the case here. If it were the case, would you feel satisfied playing a game where your character is like...4th? Lol. It works for Jedi Fallen order. But that’s different!

That doesn’t match the story or the dialogue in game as far as I can see. Or any of the points laid out above for that matter. But each to their own! I take it though it wouldn’t bother you if that were BioWares intentions for the story? That the player gets lucky

After seeing our beloved SWTOR force user get slapped around by the happy Valkorion family in eternal throne related content... Let’s get some story and cut scenes where we see how powerful our character really is. Right now, it takes quite a bit of imagination to remember how powerful we are. That’s my suggestion! May the Force serve you.

To kick it off, no... While it’s not canonical Vitiate is, he’s pretty much a god. But aside from Vitiate, our swtor force user is the most powerful Jedi or Sith etc in the SW universe in my fan boy opinion...In regards to Vitiate being the reigning champ, we have no idea where our force user goes in the future, especially with Darth Nox. Anyway... here’s my reasoning. Every play through of the eternal throne expansions watching my force user char get slapped around by Arcann or Vaylin or Valky, irks me. I’m like “what?” “But” and I start making arguments in my head as to why my awesome character is still a bad *** - *arcann flings him/her across the room beats you up and then pretty much kills you* “ what but!” You get my point. I question why BioWare would do this. When we’ve seen our character be OP and awesome up until this point. For example Nox while still young and apprentice-y starts kicking Darth asses, Jedi master asses, all kinds of ***. Becomes a Darth him/herself super quick. Kills a council member 1v1 while still a young Sith (ancient Sith dark council member —- the lore suggests that kind of Sith must be stupid stupid stupid powerful) and Nox wipes the floor with him. NOT TO MENTION absorbs the power and spirit of all these crazy powerful people Nox kills. Our Jedi knight again takes on all comers and achieves things that suggest he/she is crazy powerful and skywalker-esque special regarding his/her power in the galaxy. Takes on defeats the UBER powerful Scourge as any hand of the emperor is AND the voice. So again your character is clearly incredibly powerful and bad ***. Yet Eternal Throne expansions rob us of that feeling quite a bit... here’s why, it’s a story for all characters. There had to be in between aspects of the story that crossed across all stories. Ie valkorions protection and all the villains being presented as insurmountable. So it’s a cross story issue that saved BioWare from writing 1 million pages of dialogue. So there’s that being the main reason.... However if like me it still bothers you... here’s the thing, who’s left standing at the end of it all? The Outlander. The Outlander fought and defeated these characters (yes with allllll the help presented in the story script for cross-story) and was the one left standing. Revan was broken by the emperor - We all know what a beast Revan was! Yet the outlander lived with him in his/her head - resisted him (if you choose too) and still got through it all and defeated The Who’s who. Again. Finally... of all the people Valk chose for his bits n pieces in the galaxy it wasn’t crazy powerful Arcann or Vaylin or Satele or Matt or anyone. It was your character that Valk himself said had the most potential of anyone and the one he picked. So while we visually see the outlander tossed around in the expansions, it’s purely for cross story reasons. The Outlander wins and has much more story and development left for us to see regarding force feats. Your outlander is the force user with the mostest in the SW universe besides daddy Valk (uncanonically) Let me know if you agree or disagree or whatever! May the force serve you.

All characters interact in a 6-10 hour story weighing heavily on what characters Kotet story you choose to continue. For example, my main is a sith inquisitor..Universally story wise that class would be considered the most powerful archetype with the force on the empire side, like the emperor in the films. Say in the new expansions story your sith inq has absorbed the power of the Eternal empire in to the Sith Empire and declared himself the Emporor. So the Empire becomes much, much stronger than the republic, they don't have a chance militarily anymore. We have the Sith warrior as the emperors wrath, bounty hunter taking orders from the wrath, Imp agent Operating to assassinate the sith inqs personal targets, Jedi Knight on a mission to defeat your sith inq, Jedi consular a yoda type advisor off in search of relics to become strong enough to fight your sith inq who has spent years doing nothing but become more powerful through dark relics, absorbing his enemies power, honing his immense natural affinity for the force and studying the secrets of darkside... not to mention becoming the apprentice of Valkorion himself who encouraged him to master all aspects of the force before he defeated him.. and communing with Darth Marr through the force. Smuggler helping your Jedi Knight and your trooper commanding havoc squad get in to empire territory for a major strike at the emperor himself etc. So in choosing that my sith inqs story is how kotet went down my jedi knight would be who I'm playing as... Each time I wish to relaunch the expansion story I choose what happened in kotet and the story goes from there, and in the end you fight your sith inq to maybe half health, there is a cutscene and you get to choose who's going to win. Based on that choice you see the rest of the fight unfold in a cutscene. Perhaps even how you have your legacy family tree set up even plays a role in the story! These are just ideas and I think it would be amazing. I say 6-10 hours as there are so many variations in how the story would go for each character that it's unrealistic to expect more for an expansion. I think this would be incredible. If anyone agrees or disagrees do post a reply! Thanks for reading