Oh no, someone is sharing my pixels. QQQQQQ I just tl;dr'ed this entire thread for you all.

lol'ed pretty hard here.....idk why.....

Nice input!

I wanted to start a new thread so not as to derail the other one. For this post as well, YES I am comparing it to WoW, as it is the most popular MMO, and therefore, I'm sure some of you readers will understand my points better. Also, I realize there are bigger issues in the game than this, and am not asking for it to be immediately addressed. This is more of a discussion. I come from 2 years+ of competitive WoW raiding(Currently 39th in the US for 25M raiding). In those 2 years I almost never needed add-ons to compete. I knew if I did good dps based on...well...if I hit my buttons when I was supposed to. I never needed add-ons to move out of any proverbial fire. The only time I got DBM was when we were learning Heroic Lich King and it was "required" so other raiders who tunnel visioned would see my "blah blah blah on me" spam over my head. In those 2 years, I got recount as well. I've tanked 5 man's, raids, etc. on my deathknight. And people in pretty good gear, are sometimes below me in damage. Would I think they are based on gear? Certainly not, but I instead have solid proof that shows otherwise. This game, as with all other MMO's, will have it's good and bad pugs. It's a fact of MMO life. I don't want DBM, just like I didn't want it in WoW. It takes the fun out of the fight. But pugging, and wiping to enrages cause dps is atrocious, is also not fun. And the fact I can't figure out who is bad at their rotation, is just upsetting. To those against a simple damage parsing, I ask you why? Unless you're the one at the bottom of the meters causing 7 or 15 other people to wipe, why does it matter to you if people know how much dps you do? Begin the trolling!

Oh so you're in a 16man raid and you constantly hit enrage and wipe. Everyone is overgeared. What do you do? Replace them all? Don't be dumb.

I don't want a DBM, I just want a recount. There is absolutely nothing about recount making the game easier, it just shows who sucks.

It's pathetic how many people don't want a damage meter. You can have fun in this game with and without it. But the people who have it and wipe because people can't do their job right deserve to know if you suck. Simple as that. Even if you don't play with a recount, as long as your doing your job right...does it really matter if people see how you do?

I would just be happy with a dps meter. Boss mods are a crutch. I raided heroic lich king without dbm/etc....and this game is no different. Once you learn when stuff comes, via %, visual queues, or by what they say, you know what to do without a mod. But the fact I feel I'm doing just as much dps in heroics as the tank and we wipe to enrage upsets me, and I have no way of telling them they suck cause I can't prove anything.

Or your dps could actually spend the million+ credits they got during leveling and buy some decent upgrades/figure out how to dps. Enrages shouldn't be a problem in BT with how easy most of the mechanics are. Also lol to how people say SWTOR isn't free epics, BT HM and pvp are an example of just that.